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If there is chlorine gas in the game... yes it is better to avoid it as it would be quite toxic and dangerous... even deadly if inhaled.
Bleach irritates the skin (most people may experience a drying sensation from chlorine such as in pools or after using it to wash clothes) and in more intensive contact can damage the skin. Bleach is not recommendable for wound care as a result... if it is it should be rinsed out with clean water as to minimize contact.
 
Accidental bleach contact from washing clothes through the smell and/or skin contact is one of the most common "Poison Control" question/concern... for most people rinsing thoroughly the affected area and moving to fresher air is more than enough with the advise avoid contact or keep from inhaling it as it might indicate a particular sensitivity... but likely they were not in too much danger anyways.
 
Vinegar doesn't clean well enough but has been used for thousands of years, mostly ineffectually, to treat infections in and out of the body. Before the advent of antibiotics persons with infections shouldn't be too surprised to be treated with alcohol and vinegar. Though less likely alcohol as too much alcohol can be quite intoxicating and obviously dangerous.
Vinegar compared to alcohol though... alcohol just works a lot better on killing more infections while not causing much irritation or damage to the skin. There really is not much difference between medical alcohol and alcohol for drinks except that one has been made quite nauseating and dangerous to drink (this is hypothetically to keep people from drinking what is supposed to be set aside for medical purposes)... but if the percentage is high enough a bottle of spirits could be just as effective.
 
Regarding water purification, YES bleach can be used to purify water, however it doesn't clean it.
http://water.epa.gov/drink/emerprep/emergencydisinfection.cfm
http://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/EmergencyPreparednessandResponse/Factsheets/WaterPurification
Notice that for 2 liter it advises 2 drops... It is potent stuff.
 
But bleach typically IS chlorine so yeah... releasing or IS... maybe there is a point of chemistry or grammar there that is flying over my head but I would accept either as true enough... chlorine is typically found in most tap water for the same reason. Chlorine (base) is also used in pools to purify the water there along with soda ash (acid).
Vodka could be used to disinfect though some would say the vodka has a higher calling than disinfecting a wound...
 
 
 
I don't want to steal the spotlight though.... I was hopeful that cologne was a product I was unfamiliar with or that I somehow missed in the game. http://pzwiki.net/wiki/Upcoming_Features/ja
Apparently it is an upcoming feature from what I can read of the Japanese... actually no I just looked at the pictures... i am unfamiliar with the claim of cologne as a disinfectant or cleanser. Some colognes contain a varying amount of alcohol (this is so it will evaporate faster, thus for that cologne affect) but I doubt any of them are high enough to be useful for wound care.

I agree, they don't have to make it because I corrected a single person's misinformation about backup generators in gas stations. It's not a big deal or thing about re-powering the stations to me, I was just reading posts and wanted to share my POV.
 
But I never said they have to add it, or should make it a feature - I explained why it's possible even if it's something that's not a guarantee in Kentucky or in any other state for that matter. Personally, my 'out-of-town' gas stations and truck stops have backup generators, the big hefty diesel ones, so I know first-hand that having it be as simple as 'hooking up a casual mobile generator' is unrealistic. In fact, I'm pretty sure I said that myself earlier.
 
About having the game set in the 90's, I'm not saying the devs are wrong and should feel bad, I'm merely suggesting, hence how many times I threw in "in my opinion" when suggesting what they should do if there was a need to do something. I shared a perspective, but never said they must do something.
 
Don't make me out to be a bad guy here, I didn't degrade anybody in the process of voicing what I felt were some mistakes, objectionable or not. I get it, I'm a cynical a-hole, but I almost had to say something when the idea of re-powering the stations was dismissed with a reason that I interpreted as incorrect.
 
(Edit: I also agree that it might not be implemented intentionally for balance, since all you would have to do is hook up the generator for infinite gas in the current system.)

This thread has run its course, I'm closing it. If anyone wants to discuss relevant info about gameplay implications of generators and gas stations, there's other threads that are actually for that.

500 days (the longest you can delay it) is still unrealistically fast for walls and floors to crack. That said, it also delays the time for trees and grass to grow as well which is a negatively-implicating gameplay factor for me.

That happens way too fast. Erosion is cool and all, but within a year a Brick Wall or hardwood floor won't just crack out of age THAT quickly.
 
Why does the road get filled with potholes so quickly too? It's not like anybody has been driving on them.
 
 

These ideas are probably not going to happen, since people:
 
A: Stash things in trash cans
B: Stash things in bodies
 
Also.
 
Bodies by no means need to despawn considering it's a persistent game through-and-through. You can already burn bodies if you want to.

Why not just make it removable in the sandbox settings and then a few minor changes to regular survival. Make plant growth the same but make things like cracking and potholes a bit slower. It works, its a compromise, its all good.

But could there be possibly less visible damage at first. I could see it having small cracks that grow but it seems like you leave and a week later the road is almost gone. And as you left there was no damage what so ever. I feel something like stage before erosion can spread or appear. It would be nice but i really dont mind since the only bother to me is the grass.

I have to stick with the good old bat. When you first find it its a major score and then you get good using it. After while when you find something else it might be better just to stick with the bat. They are also very common and can be upgraded to the spiked bat for more damage, but i wouldn't recommend it due to the lower durability unless you have a stockpile.

Cooking Stir Fry, walked outside and ended up confronting some players who were headed towards the farmhouse to base.
 
Obviously, I was already there.
 
So I invited them to stay, but they left. For safety reasons I followed them to see what they were saying (they were using direct chat to converse with each other).
 
They started talking about taking the farmhouse over, and thankfully, they eventually decided PVP would only screw them up more because I apparently 'looked experienced'.
 
Well, would an experienced player let the entire farmhouse burn down in a cooking fire because of a decision to follow passerbys?

Cooking Stir Fry, walked outside and ended up confronting some players who were headed towards the farmhouse to base.
 
Obviously, I was already there.
 
So I invited them to stay, but they left. For safety reasons I followed them to see what they were saying (they were using direct chat to converse with each other).
 
They started talking about taking the farmhouse over, and thankfully, they eventually decided PVP would only screw them up more because I apparently 'looked experienced'.
 
Well, would an experienced player let the entire farmhouse burn down in a cooking fire because of a decision to follow passerbys?

Cooking Stir Fry, walked outside and ended up confronting some players who were headed towards the farmhouse to base.
 
Obviously, I was already there.
 
So I invited them to stay, but they left. For safety reasons I followed them to see what they were saying (they were using direct chat to converse with each other).
 
They started talking about taking the farmhouse over, and thankfully, they eventually decided PVP would only screw them up more because I apparently 'looked experienced'.
 
Well, would an experienced player let the entire farmhouse burn down in a cooking fire because of a decision to follow passerbys?

Cooking Stir Fry, walked outside and ended up confronting some players who were headed towards the farmhouse to base.
 
Obviously, I was already there.
 
So I invited them to stay, but they left. For safety reasons I followed them to see what they were saying (they were using direct chat to converse with each other).
 
They started talking about taking the farmhouse over, and thankfully, they eventually decided PVP would only screw them up more because I apparently 'looked experienced'.
 
Well, would an experienced player let the entire farmhouse burn down in a cooking fire because of a decision to follow passerbys?

Cooking Stir Fry, walked outside and ended up confronting some players who were headed towards the farmhouse to base.
 
Obviously, I was already there.
 
So I invited them to stay, but they left. For safety reasons I followed them to see what they were saying (they were using direct chat to converse with each other).
 
They started talking about taking the farmhouse over, and thankfully, they eventually decided PVP would only screw them up more because I apparently 'looked experienced'.
 
Well, would an experienced player let the entire farmhouse burn down in a cooking fire because of a decision to follow passerbys?

Cooking Stir Fry, walked outside and ended up confronting some players who were headed towards the farmhouse to base.
 
Obviously, I was already there.
 
So I invited them to stay, but they left. For safety reasons I followed them to see what they were saying (they were using direct chat to converse with each other).
 
They started talking about taking the farmhouse over, and thankfully, they eventually decided PVP would only screw them up more because I apparently 'looked experienced'.
 
Well, would an experienced player let the entire farmhouse burn down in a cooking fire because of a decision to follow passerbys?

It's done to prevent you having to water your player every couple of minutes.

And, nin4 is right: placing water bottles in a separate bag, rather than your main inventory, should allow you to drink them manually, if you so choose.

Level 2 carpentry pre-31 would be the equivalent of level 4 in post 31. The levels just got divided up to be a bit more in-depth.
 
It does take slower to level up everything you aren't specialized in in your character build, though.

Level 2 carpentry pre-31 would be the equivalent of level 4 in post 31. The levels just got divided up to be a bit more in-depth.
 
It does take slower to level up everything you aren't specialized in in your character build, though.

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This is great even if it isn't real.

I love reading all these stories, quite entertaining. I particularly enjoy the multiplayer stories, as I have yet to find a server that affords me any sort of cooperative efforts with other players. Keep them coming, folks!

I love the fact that zombies kept wandering in on the chaos!
Now I want to know what happened after you fled into the woods!

Here's another zinger for you, BayCon the Bacon.
 
Background:
 
So in this story I was playing on a server that my friend recommended. I was extremely late to the server's development, there was no 'starter pack' for new survivors to be able to survive (everything in the custom spawns were looted) and the services had already been shut off. Basically, had my friend not told me that this was a server with well established communities that he thought I would have fun with, I probably would not have joined that server.
 
But I did, and to my surprise it was amazing how lively things were. There was a decent player population and some settlements.
 
Deciding that I am now stuck with fending for scraps, I decide to search the areas in Muldraugh that people usually miss on scavenging lists. Locations being the furniture store, bar and small general store near a trailer park. So I search the general store first and manage to snag some non-perishable snacks and an empty pop bottle as well as a schoolbag to hold some stuff in. Maybe this won't be so hopeless. I search the furniture store. Somebody did get to looting it, but there was still a hammer in the back. I go to the bar. I was hoping I could find some basic medical supplies in the washroom, and if I'm lucky, some peanuts and drinks. 
 
Surprisingly there was an open window, so I climbed in it not knowing what to expect. And lo and behold, there are two players in the second floor of the bar.
 
Unsure what to think, one of them tells me that they are from a large camp, and they had pretty much every necessity one could want. They invited me to join them.
 
It may be relevant to note that I was playing as a Fireman with First Aid, so I had some decent traits to offer the group.
 
...
 
So fast-forward x amount of IRL days and x amount of weeks ingame, and I'm a prominent figure in this group. By then I had met everybody, and we had a good setup going. I was one of two people in the group with a high medical skill, so people relied on me.
 
One thing I didn't like was that the leader gave people specific jobs, and he had a daily quota that we all had to fill as well. He was a pretty strict kind of person, but he was also forgiving and somewhat patient, so it wasn't THAT bad. However it was still a rough system that I could see some people not getting used to.
 
I was required to stay at the base and ONLY leave if somebody requested medical assistance from out of the walls. When there wasn't wounds to heal, my secondary task was to patrol, water plants and make sure any items that got dropped got organized properly.
 
This was annoying to me as I was a fireman profession, and they weren't taking advantage of my athletic character build. Apparently they didn't need anymore runners, so I was stuck hanging onto my First Aid training as my one job there.
 
Obviously this leader kept me out of the ability to make changes, and he kind of wrote me off most of the time, giving me tedious tasks that didn't take long to do or didn't give me a job at all, leaving me to either exit the server for the day or sit there and twiddle my thumbs.
 
The event:
 
The main reason why I stayed with this group wasn't because of the safety, but rather because of the drama.
 
Players would develop personal issues with each other all the time. Whether it was because one player was trying to show off, or because another player ate somebody's stir-fry, there always seemed to be somebody not talking to another somebody. 
 
Usually these arguments ended up involving the majority of the group, having everybody stand in the middle of the compound managing a large discussion about these things, and it gave me a chance to shine and be respected as a capable human being.
 
So, the big argument that essentially divided the group was over the fact that the 'leader' did not trust people outside of his close friendgroup to make changes or do anything outside of small tasks. Somebody, who was in a similar situation to where I was, had had enough of being told to 'take the day off' and 'stay inside'. The leader and his groupies responded with how it was the safest survival-wise to only put the battle tested people out there, to which I spoke up and responded that maybe more people could be "battle tested" if he didn't let only five people leave the compound anyways.
 
This developed into a huge fight. People were talking over each other, some people were ignored. It became a huge yelling match that went on for at least an hour. Two prominent sides in the argument were there. One side was saying that if the leader expected to keep his group population as high as it was the leader would have to start giving everybody a bit more freedom, while the other side was saying that people would get themselves killed if everybody just left when they pleased. 
 
Nonetheless, the Leader began yelling for everyone to shut up and go to their positions, and the next person to challenge the "pure survival" rules was getting the boot. And, of course, he veto'd over everything everyone said and didn't make any changes.
 
The next day, the person who started the argument in the first place was found dead in his room. Hit with a melee weapon.
 
Everybody in the group was at arms that day. People accused the leader of doing it, some people said it was a random attack. The leader, obviously defending himself, said that whoever did it must have snuck into the camp. People were saying that if they weren't even allowed to speak their mind they might as well find a place run by a nicer person. The 'leader' reassured everyone that things would change down the line when the compound developed into a safe society.
 
As this conversation was happening, two zombies had climbed over the fences at the main entrance and had managed to get inside through an open door. They killed an AFK player, caught him off guard in his own house. They also then managed to bite somebody else.
 
After eliminating the zombies, the leader took a shotgun and killed the guy who got bit. No goodbye or social interaction, just went and shot him.
 
This pissed a lot of people off, and a decent amount of people wanted to leave. There was no organization in the group from that point forward. Some players left. I stayed, but planned on leaving down the line when I could get ready to go.
 
...
 
The next day I was doing inventory when I heard gunfire. I ran outside to the sight of a group of people standing in the main gate shooting into the compound. We were being infiltrated.
 
I ran and asked the first friendly I ran into what was going on, and he just told me that some of the players who left had got another group to assassinate the leader. Before he could get into details he ran off towards the courtyard, gun in hand.
 
I would have approved of the idea of assassinating the leader (or, well, getting him out of that position by any means), except these people were just shooting everybody who stayed behind.
 
I was in a precarious situation. I made a bee-line to the medical building and grabbed a big hiking bag, a fully-stocked first aid kit, a handgun I had stashed with one box of bullets and a baseball bat. I grabbed the chips and two bottles of pop from my stashed rations, loaded up on whatever else I could fit in the bag and began to head towards one of the gates.
 
As I stepped into the main courtyard, I was shocked. There were at least a dozen bodies just in the courtyard area, and some more people running around shooting. Some unarmed people were sprinting in all directions, and there were a fair amount of zombies that had wandered in on the chaos. The gate doors were broken completely.
 
I then noticed that I couldn't tell who was going to shoot me and who wasn't. It seemed like the attackers had won, but there were still random survivors that I recognized that were running around in a panic.
 
I think I saw a body that looked like the leader's, but I don't know.
 
Needless to say, I booked it out of the 'secondary' exit, running through the woods.
 
TL;DR
 
-Leader of big walled-off community that has been standing for a while refuses to trust anyone.
-Suspicious death that makes everybody on edge about leaving
-Zed kill AFK player and bite somebody.
-Leader puts down player within next five seconds without giving him time to prepare for a respawn/anything of the sort. Essentially boots him from the community by killing him (No s***)
-Players leave, then come back with more people/weapons and go on shooting spree

I was out scavenging with one of my group members through the businesses along the Muldraugh highway. There were some nasty hordes about, some reaching high really high numbers. There were a collective large, uniform bunch spread out across the parking lot of this one strip mall we were at, and I yelled at my friend that as long as we didn't freak out and made as little noise as possible we could navigate along the outskirts of the zed just fine.
 
Two minutes of sneaking and about five zombies from the horde aggro to us, shambling slowly. My friend swings his bat, it has little effect. So he panics and begins sprinting towards the break in the zombies, leaving me there.
 
As he sprints towards the end of the parking lot the zombies that aggro towards him begin filling in the break in the bunch, leaving me in the middle of a cloud of zombies surrounded heavily.
 
I turn around. A uniform group of zed are behind me, not aggro'd but still forming an unbreakable wall. To the left of me is some shops, but with the doors locked and no doors on the other side to escape out of. In front of and to the right of me is a huge group of zed, a quarter of them already shambling towards me with more zombies joining them. 
 
I equip my pistol, which had a laser and red dot attachments. I aim towards where I assume the least dense amount of zed is and begin firing. I watch as the zed stumble back, getting a headshot on a chunk of them. My character reaches moderate panic. I know that if I go through one of the shops to the left of me it will just be a last stand situation, and running through a break would be just as risky.
 
I was going to die. The horde of zed filled up the entire parking lot.
 
All of a sudden, three players run out of the burger joint near me, which was also part of the strip mall. 
 
Immediately, one of them yelling "HOLY S***" and runs back inside. The second one joins him, and closes the door, leaving the third player outside. I assume they locked the door, because the third player yelled "OPEN THE DOOR" a bunch of times.
 
So that player turns around, sees me, and equips a shotgun. The a-hole begins firing indiscriminately, sending some shots in my direction, reloading, and then turning around and firing through the windows at his buddies who ditched him.
 
I then hear return fire, and there is some insults thrown across at each other. I'm still fighting zed while this is happening.
 
So half of the horde diverges towards the gunfight, leaving me just enough of a break for my Firefighter to sprint through reaching the other side of the parking lot. I find my friend on the other side of the fence, hiding.
 
We can still hear gunfire, and eventually the sound of the shotgun stopped followed by the obvious zed sound of tearing and biting. The sounds of glass breaking and more gunshots belt out of my speakers. This goes on for 2 more minutes.
 
So, while watching from a safe distance, we watch as the group inevitably dies.
 
We hear the 'biting' sounds yet again.
 
All of a sudden, a player comes slowly sprinting out of the one door, running along the walls, with tons of blood leaking out of his body. He sprints to a house down the street, we follow. We decide we are going to try to be as helpful as possible to him to avoid a fight.
 
So, the new house he was at attracted a bunch of the other zed, so we cleared out the ones banging on the windows and doors.
 
So we walk in on this guy searching the washroom, obviously finding meds. My character was medical-skill heavy, and I had a stocked first-aid kit, so I offered to check his wounds.
 
He turns around, says "Oh there you are, Cameron. And thank you"
 
Obviously, I'm not Cameron.
 
I check his wounds, and surprisingly, no bites. There was a scratch a some lodged bullets, followed by a deep wound.
 
So I patch him up, gaining a fair bit of med skill.
 
After I'm done, I turn around and realize that my friend has collapsed on the ground dead. Apparently he had been bitten several times while running through the horde, didn't change his bandages and died accordingly.
 
So the guy that I patched up equips a gun, turns to me, and says "This is what you get for ditching kitti out there" and starts shooting at me. He misses, probably due to his injuries. So I run out the front door, and he goes and stands at the window.
 
I start typing "I'm not cameron" as this guy starts opening up the window.
 
Thankfully the message came in time, because he lowered his gun.
 
We start talking, and eventually he starts asking me what gear I have on me. I tell him "Nothing special". He raises his gun and starts firing again.
 
All of a sudden, my friend reanimated and finishes this guy off, "surprise" ambushing him in the house as he was shooting at me.
 
Lone survivor, 10/10

The weight of objects is in no actual units, bro.
 
Fish have their displayed weight but their actual wait in the game units is NOT 30.

I was out scavenging with one of my group members through the businesses along the Muldraugh highway. There were some nasty hordes about, some reaching high really high numbers. There were a collective large, uniform bunch spread out across the parking lot of this one strip mall we were at, and I yelled at my friend that as long as we didn't freak out and made as little noise as possible we could navigate along the outskirts of the zed just fine.
 
Two minutes of sneaking and about five zombies from the horde aggro to us, shambling slowly. My friend swings his bat, it has little effect. So he panics and begins sprinting towards the break in the zombies, leaving me there.
 
As he sprints towards the end of the parking lot the zombies that aggro towards him begin filling in the break in the bunch, leaving me in the middle of a cloud of zombies surrounded heavily.
 
I turn around. A uniform group of zed are behind me, not aggro'd but still forming an unbreakable wall. To the left of me is some shops, but with the doors locked and no doors on the other side to escape out of. In front of and to the right of me is a huge group of zed, a quarter of them already shambling towards me with more zombies joining them. 
 
I equip my pistol, which had a laser and red dot attachments. I aim towards where I assume the least dense amount of zed is and begin firing. I watch as the zed stumble back, getting a headshot on a chunk of them. My character reaches moderate panic. I know that if I go through one of the shops to the left of me it will just be a last stand situation, and running through a break would be just as risky.
 
I was going to die. The horde of zed filled up the entire parking lot.
 
All of a sudden, three players run out of the burger joint near me, which was also part of the strip mall. 
 
Immediately, one of them yelling "HOLY S***" and runs back inside. The second one joins him, and closes the door, leaving the third player outside. I assume they locked the door, because the third player yelled "OPEN THE DOOR" a bunch of times.
 
So that player turns around, sees me, and equips a shotgun. The a-hole begins firing indiscriminately, sending some shots in my direction, reloading, and then turning around and firing through the windows at his buddies who ditched him.
 
I then hear return fire, and there is some insults thrown across at each other. I'm still fighting zed while this is happening.
 
So half of the horde diverges towards the gunfight, leaving me just enough of a break for my Firefighter to sprint through reaching the other side of the parking lot. I find my friend on the other side of the fence, hiding.
 
We can still hear gunfire, and eventually the sound of the shotgun stopped followed by the obvious zed sound of tearing and biting. The sounds of glass breaking and more gunshots belt out of my speakers. This goes on for 2 more minutes.
 
So, while watching from a safe distance, we watch as the group inevitably dies.
 
We hear the 'biting' sounds yet again.
 
All of a sudden, a player comes slowly sprinting out of the one door, running along the walls, with tons of blood leaking out of his body. He sprints to a house down the street, we follow. We decide we are going to try to be as helpful as possible to him to avoid a fight.
 
So, the new house he was at attracted a bunch of the other zed, so we cleared out the ones banging on the windows and doors.
 
So we walk in on this guy searching the washroom, obviously finding meds. My character was medical-skill heavy, and I had a stocked first-aid kit, so I offered to check his wounds.
 
He turns around, says "Oh there you are, Cameron. And thank you"
 
Obviously, I'm not Cameron.
 
I check his wounds, and surprisingly, no bites. There was a scratch a some lodged bullets, followed by a deep wound.
 
So I patch him up, gaining a fair bit of med skill.
 
After I'm done, I turn around and realize that my friend has collapsed on the ground dead. Apparently he had been bitten several times while running through the horde, didn't change his bandages and died accordingly.
 
So the guy that I patched up equips a gun, turns to me, and says "This is what you get for ditching kitti out there" and starts shooting at me. He misses, probably due to his injuries. So I run out the front door, and he goes and stands at the window.
 
I start typing "I'm not cameron" as this guy starts opening up the window.
 
Thankfully the message came in time, because he lowered his gun.
 
We start talking, and eventually he starts asking me what gear I have on me. I tell him "Nothing special". He raises his gun and starts firing again.
 
All of a sudden, my friend reanimated and finishes this guy off, "surprise" ambushing him in the house as he was shooting at me.
 
Lone survivor, 10/10