Way to make fuel (Biofuel...)

[lerk]

Hello,

After an time generators gets pretty useless because there is only finte fuel, and if you dont be fast and pump fuel out of the gasstations you have almost no fuel. Its not only for Generators, later on for cars. For an "Joe" its pretty hopeless without any knowledge. I personaly dont know how to make fuel

Maybe after some time if you need really some fuel for whatever and have the knowledge you can make some biofuel with crops, seeds. I REALLY dont know how to make gasoline makeshift. I heard it but never informed about it

Edit: Or at least add an big fuel tank near the farm or logging ind.

[J0hnm13]

Would definitely give me a use for this stack of 500 rotten cabbages since I can't eat them all fast enough. 

[Svarog]

We need a Science skill to make nukes, cures and biofuel.

Seriously, BioFuel is pretty complicated as far as I know, I mean, some people around the place I live used to use cooking oil as fuel for their cars, you could tell because whenever they passed by it smelled like a kitchen in McDonalds but the last I checked up on tech info BioFuel was really expensive and difficult to produce in a way that actually works, and it's 2015. The game takes place at 1993.

[J0hnm13]

Peanut oil can go harmlessly into older diesel engines.. Not easy to harvest in large quantities, but all the same that's what improvised solutions are about, in terms of gameplay at least.

McDonalds also uses their own grease in the engines of their trucks, or so I've heard. 

[Svarog]

Peanut oil can go harmlessly into older diesel engines.

ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED!!! They're keeping the info away from us so we use their black gold instead!

Again, seriously, difficult do get in large quantities, in PZ if can be homemade (by a random dumbass such as myself) then sure, but if it requires specialist equipment and/or knowledge then it's off the board, engines need to be modified to run on something other than default gasoline, I live in a rural area, people around here have the know-how to turn do stuff with car you wouldn't imagine, but it necessity breeds ingenuity and I really don't think that an average idiot Joe (Who IS the protagonist in PZ) would have the know how to make any basic engine accept anything but default Gasoline, or make BioFuel of ANY kind.

[J0hnm13]

No like.. Straight up peanut oil. Pour it into a diesel engine gas tank, turn the key and drive away. No special modification necessary. _{Actually newer engines are designed so that DOESN'T work, but that's a different story and this is 1993 so that's no concern in the game.}

[Svarog]

No like.. Straight up peanut oil. Pour it into a diesel engine gas tank, turn the key and drive away. No special modification necessary. _{Actually newer engines are designed so that DOESN'T work, but that's a different story and this is 1993 so that's no concern in the game.}

Afckinggain ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED!

Yeah there is this thing where anything made before the GLORIOUS XXI century doesn't die after it's insurance or expiration date runs out and just, kinda... works. So maybe it would make sense.

[EnigmaGrey]

No like.. Straight up peanut oil. Pour it into a diesel engine gas tank, turn the key and drive away. No special modification necessary. _{Actually newer engines are designed so that DOESN'T work, but that's a different story and this is 1993 so that's no concern in the game.}

It won't work without modifying the engine, due to the viscoity of the oil. Normally it's blended with alcohol or normal fuel . . . and even then doesn't seem to be recommended in non bio-fuel designed diesel vechiles . . . You'll need a conversion kit of some form to use straight oil.

[Paprika]

Personally I'd like to expand on this saying that we really DO need more diversity in skill sets, and more use out of what we have for that matter. A science skill (so much to work with), expanded engineering skill to include fabrication, electrical for actual wiring of new residences, effective measures to deal with infections and an expanded health system otherwise compressed into herbalist, and general production classes as a whole such as the venerable blacksmith (someone who can actually repair something correctly without using wood glue). But that is my two sense. 

 

When it comes down to actual building of engines that use bio based fuels, one they typically need a mixed ratio so they actually run correctly. In particular (to my knowledge) for burn rates and compression reasons. However, thinking back to previous research people have no issues dealing with the tuning of motorcycles to run on just about anything. Granted, you need to be an actual bloody mechanic hence my point that if you wish to implement this, you need a class capable of doing the adjustments and fabrications.

 

Note: I am not a trained mechanic by any means whatsoever, as such, by all means tear me a new one and properly elaborate on this.

[J0hnm13]

I've been wrong before, but as far as I know you can just use straight up peanut oil. I suppose it'd make sense it'd be too viscous though, so meh. 

[Svarog]

I've been wrong before, but as far as I know you can just use straight up peanut oil. I suppose it'd make sense it'd be too viscous though, so meh. 

Well trust me, back in the day I've seen people use all kinds of weird stuff to power engines, I was born in 1993 in Poland, not that long after we finally embraced "democracy", there were little resources and I do genuinely remember people using weird ass stuff to go around, Cooking Oil was one of those things, so you could be right.

Like I said, necessity breeds ingenuity but I still believe that in PZ everything should be limited with specialization perhaps more so than it already is, it's a game, there needs to be a "class synergy" the current problem is the fact it only works in MP, and barely at that, in SP everyone has to go around with one character doing everything (no NPCs to help)

[King jjwpenguin]

No like.. Straight up peanut oil. Pour it into a diesel engine gas tank, turn the key and drive away. No special modification necessary. _{Actually newer engines are designed so that DOESN'T work, but that's a different story and this is 1993 so that's no concern in the game.}

my one single peanut will save humanity! The power of the future! but wait. this is the 80's.... power of yesterday that still isnt commonly used today but.... uhhhhhh. 

[Mike280]

I can confirm that peanut oil can be used after a simple filtration in a DIESEL engine IN THE SUMMER.  Any cold weather would require a submersion heater to lower the viscosity of the oil.  Most modern (post-1980ish) diesel engines can run off of filtered WVO (waste vegetable oil), but need to be started with conventional diesel due to the viscosity issue.  Trucks can be fitted with an additional WVO tank in the truck bed and simple fuel line switch in the cab to allow for this.  Biodiesel conversion requires a chemistry degree, or at least a few weeks on the Youtube  .  You'd need a lot of equipment that's easily available pre-Zed, but much harder post-apoc.  Titration equipment, methanol, settling tanks, filters, steel barrels, etc.

Also, google or youtube "wood gasification" and you'll see some cars running off of burning wood, seriously.  Wicked cool stuff.

[Asparagus]

You'd need a lot of equipment that's easily available pre-Zed, but much harder post-apoc.  Titration equipment, methanol, settling tanks, filters, steel barrels, etc.

The auto shop in WP... it's pretty devoid of tools you'd usually find in a place like that... how about placing those equipment there?

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Or how about solar energy?

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This should really fall under the "engineering" occupation though... :T

[lerk]

You'd need a lot of equipment that's easily available pre-Zed, but much harder post-apoc.  Titration equipment, methanol, settling tanks, filters, steel barrels, etc.

The auto shop in WP... it's pretty devoid of tools you'd usually find in a place like that... how about placing those equipment there?

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Or how about solar energy?

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This should really fall under the "engineering" occupation though... :T

You must think its 1993..

[King jjwpenguin]

 

 

You'd need a lot of equipment that's easily available pre-Zed, but much harder post-apoc.  Titration equipment, methanol, settling tanks, filters, steel barrels, etc.

The auto shop in WP... it's pretty devoid of tools you'd usually find in a place like that... how about placing those equipment there?

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Or how about solar energy?

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This should really fall under the "engineering" occupation though... :T

You must think its 1993..

 

i thought they said the 80's so more like 1983-1989 more or less. still, it means better classic cars.

[Asrayl]

... All you really need for this is to convert your crops into simple grain alcohol. Things like everclear are approaching 200 proof (pure alcohol) and would burn readily in just about any combustion engine. It's not perfect, but it's an imperfect world. 

 

A distillery would give us the means to power cars and generators, if we were patient... and honestly, they're easy to make. It's not exactly rocketry (though you could turn it into one if you aren't careful.)

[lerk]

Well, i dont care for cars right now, now only for generators. After an time they useless. No need to take them in your savehouse. I dont like that

[Suomiboi]

You'd need a lot of equipment that's easily available pre-Zed, but much harder post-apoc. Titration equipment, methanol, settling tanks, filters, steel barrels, etc.

The auto shop in WP... it's pretty devoid of tools you'd usually find in a place like that... how about placing those equipment there?

...

Or how about solar energy?

...

This should really fall under the "engineering" occupation though... :T

You must think its 1993..

i thought they said the 80's so more like 1983-1989 more or less. still, it means better classic cars.

Well judging by the fact that they just changed the starting date from 2012 to 1993, I'd say it's fine to assume that it's the start year. I don't think they'd change the year if it was just for lulz. The previous official word was before 2000's, early 90's/late 80's iirc.