Waib Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 not sure if this is planned, but i just have a few suggestions to make alcohol more useful and realistic. alcohol gives you courage so i think it should act somewhat like beta blockers only maybe less effective, keeps you from going above panic or strong panic. also should make you alot happier, drinking half a bottle of whiskey is as effective as eating a chocolate bar right now. and last it should give you a penalty to thirst instead of hydrating you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walther Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 drinking half a bottle of whiskey is as effective as eating a chocolate bar right now uhm, half a bottle of whiskey doesnt make me brave, it makes me stupid. a shot or two though might do it nah but seriously, I think that the usage and effects of alcohol will get overhauled and/or changed. IIRC alcohol doesnt do anything at the moment bud rehydrate you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waib Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 well it also gives you -10 to unhappiness, which i thought was a bit low considering your character just downs half the bottle xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walther Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 well it also gives you -10 to unhappiness, which i thought was a bit low considering your character just downs half the bottle xD unhappiness is alright IMO, but it should increase the more alcohol you drink. first half bottle -10, second half bottle -20, third half bottle (because lets face it, you're not doing anything today) -40. and then -80 because dude, you're drunk and what the bleep are you doing with your life?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApolloDiaspora Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 well it also gives you -10 to unhappiness, which i thought was a bit low considering your character just downs half the bottle xD unhappiness is alright IMO, but it should increase the more alcohol you drink. first half bottle -10, second half bottle -20, third half bottle (because lets face it, you're not doing anything today) -40. and then -80 because dude, you're drunk and what the bleep are you doing with your life?! Only make these bonuses stack over a short period (i.e: Four half bottles in a short space of time = -80 unhappiness. Long period of time = -30 unhappiness) and you've suddenly got an in-game incentive for your character to get absolutely smashed. A useful tool in a pinch if the character is severely depressed, but a great moment for the Sadistic AI Director(SOON) to send a horde your way. Suomiboi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomiboi Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I do remember someone talking about addiction being added to the game at some point, but can't point it out atm... I'd suggest the following: First of all drink the bottle in quarters... Few guys can down half a bottle of whiskey in two takes. First quarter +10 happiness that will turn to -15 in a period of few hours. As it works with alcohol you get the starting high and good feeling "I love you guys" which turns into the low point "My mommy never loved me" And the more you drink the less you get the happiness and the more you're going to come down. So in theory you start drinking and get the +10 start and then either choose to not drink and suffer the small sadness or drink more for a +5 boost to happiness each sip. The more you drink the harder the downfall. Also if you drink more you'll suffer the hangover... eg.1 quarter: +10 happiness -15 backlash2 quarters: 10+5= +15 happiness -30 backlash + headache3 quarters 15+5= +20 happiness -50 backlash + headache + nausea4 quarters +25 happiness -80 backlash (because the bottle is empty ) + can't get out of bed hangover and throwing up So staying drunk has it's bonuses, but the more you drink the more you'll suffer. Also added to this are the effects of being drunk, eg. distorted perception etc. and long time depression from addiction like ApolloDiaspora suggested. Drinking more will get rid of these long time effects for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelshrapnel Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Not sure where the unhappiness comes from. I know of folk who drink as if they were fish and the worst they get is being a little buzzed, and very happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApolloDiaspora Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 -10 Unhappiness means it REDUCES unhappiness. The idea being the more alcohol you consume in a shorter period of time, the greater the depression-alleviating effect. Naturally, the drunkenness of the character, and the resulting hangover, would increase accordingly Steelshrapnel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connall Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Personally the only reason I drink alcohol is to see the moodle names and descriptions so I can get a quick chuckle. http://pzwiki.net/wiki/Moodles#Drunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelshrapnel Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 -10 Unhappiness means it REDUCES unhappiness. The idea being the more alcohol you consume in a shorter period of time, the greater the depression-alleviating effect. Naturally, the drunkenness of the character, and the resulting hangover, would increase accordingly Ahh, forgive me for that! I jumped the wagon there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Don't think people would be drinking alcohol during a zombie apocalypse in joy. If otherwise, if one drinks alcohol alone it is almost always because of some emotional pain. Also, comparing half a bottle of whisky with a chocolate bar is like comparing... a flying saucer with a cow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 It's strange that it makes you happy to. Drink imbibed affects me different upon the context. I don't drink by myself because I can often become unhappy. I always drink in company. I suspect I'm not entirely alone in this. A little drink should give you courage and being 'drunk' works as an excellent pain killer. Anyone can attest to this who has woke up after a heavy season with bruises and scrapes. "How in hell did I get these?" However that might just be me. Lastly, spirits poured on a bandage should help disinfect it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kajin Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 The bottle in question appears to be half a gallon (64 ounces total), so drinking a quarter of that would make most people as sick as a dog. So it kind of annoys me that a whole bottle of the stuff can be drunk with almost no adverse effects. I'd suggest that each time you drink from a bottle you're taking a single two ounce shot of the stuff so that each bottle has a total of 32 uses. Makes things more realistic I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelshrapnel Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 The bottle in question appears to be half a gallon (64 ounces total), so drinking a quarter of that would make most people as sick as a dog. So it kind of annoys me that a whole bottle of the stuff can be drunk with almost no adverse effects. I'd suggest that each time you drink from a bottle you're taking a single two ounce shot of the stuff so that each bottle has a total of 32 uses. Makes things more realistic I imagine.Hehehe. You've never met my Uncle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberevan Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 DID YOU KNOW........ A hangover is really severe dehydration?!At least the headache is. The Vomiting is because you're putting poison in yer liver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 This is what wiki has to say. Causes[edit]The processes which lead to hangovers are still poorly understood.[2] Several pathophysiological changes may give rise to the alcohol hangover including increased levels of acetaldehyde, hormonal alterations of the cytokine pathways and decrease of the availability of glucose. Additional associated phenomena are dehydration, metabolic acidosis, disturbed prostaglandin synthesis, increased cardiac output, vasodilation, sleep deprivation and insufficient eating.[1] Some complex organic molecules found in alcoholic beverages known as congeners may play an important role in producing hangover effects because some, such as methanol, are metabolized to the notably toxic substances formaldehyde and formic acid.[1] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kajin Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 The bottle in question appears to be half a gallon (64 ounces total), so drinking a quarter of that would make most people as sick as a dog. So it kind of annoys me that a whole bottle of the stuff can be drunk with almost no adverse effects. I'd suggest that each time you drink from a bottle you're taking a single two ounce shot of the stuff so that each bottle has a total of 32 uses. Makes things more realistic I imagine.Hehehe. You've never met my Uncle. Could probably take the heavy drinker trait, then. Drink more booze and gain more positive benefits before succumbing to negative effects. Light drinker trait causes you to suffer more heavily from negative effects so you don't gain as much positive from it. PintLasher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberevan Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 This is what wiki has to say. Causes[edit]The processes which lead to hangovers are still poorly understood.[2] Several pathophysiological changes may give rise to the alcohol hangover including increased levels of acetaldehyde, hormonal alterations of the cytokine pathways and decrease of the availability of glucose. Additional associated phenomena are dehydration, metabolic acidosis, disturbed prostaglandin synthesis, increased cardiac output, vasodilation, sleep deprivation and insufficient eating.[1] Some complex organic molecules found in alcoholic beverages known as congeners may play an important role in producing hangover effects because some, such as methanol, are metabolized to the notably toxic substances formaldehyde and formic acid.[1]Idk maybe it prevents water from entering your system? lolI don't know much, that's just what I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I'm not sure. I was under the impression it was a lack of water. I also read / saw somewhere that it's a reduction in blood sugar too. I don't know though. I couldn't be any less of a doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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