Sometimes people frustrate me.

[DrummerKidJack]

I'm voting because they don't have such right, and in my opinion it should stay like that. 

Singles are able to reproduce, by the influence of other person of opposite sex of course, but still they don't have to be a copule.

Infertile couples still follow the man-woman natural way of living, and they are fertile because of accident/disease/genetics not because of sexual attractions.

 

I never said I disrespect any other opinion, I felt disrespected by Drummer, and only wanted to underline that it's only my opinion.

 

Edit:

Pixel 

 

Not only disgust, but as well as the fact that it is unnatural, nature didn't project us this way.

 

Homosexual parents can affect vulnerable children mental condition. As well as they can be assaulted by other children from school. I would agree if the children adopted were over 13 yo, and if that children will agree to be adopted by gay couple. Of course he can renounce from his decision in any moment.

 

I would do it not because "Oh f**** gay pepole, i don't like them", but because I don't think it would be healthy for mental health of children.

I'm sorry, but if you are denying another human being the same right that you have because you think that there is something inherently "wrong" with them (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary) then I don't think you have any credence in feeling "disrespected".

 

And yes, it is just because you don't like gay people. The fact that you think that a gay couple can't have mentally healthy children just because of their sexual orientation (again, despite evidence to the contrary as provided earlier by Onto) is a testament that you just don't like them. There is no legitimate reason for why gay people shouldn't be allowed to adopt. There is no empirical evidence, no logic, absolutely no argument that refutes the fact that gay people are just as capable of being parents as straight people.

 

It's not just your opinion any more when you actively go out and vote against equality. That's not opinion. That's bigotry.

[Marinus]

Singles are able to reproduce

 

Gays generally are also able to reproduce. 

 

I felt disrespected by Drummer

 

He's rather kind considering your attitude. Remember that blatant homophobia isn't everywhere as accepted as it still is in Poland.

 

the man-woman natural way of living

 

Bonobos are closely related to humans. They engage in heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual activities, and just like in humans, sex isn't solely for reproduction and has a significant social function.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo

[Pixel Bombs]

 

Not only disgust, but as well as the fact that it is unnatural, nature didn't project us this way.

 

This means nothing. We arnt naturally suppose to do a lot of things. Ban them as well?

 

Homosexual parents can affect vulnerable children mental condition.

 

*Citation needed

 

As well as they can be assaulted by other children from school.

 

Because of people like you that those kids beat up other kids for having gay parents. Its a social stigma that gays are freaks and should be treated as such.

 

I would agree if the children adopted were over 13 yo, and if that children will agree to be adopted by gay couple. Of course he can renounce from his decision in any moment.

 

What an arbitrary method. Why would we even give that decision to a child?  

 

I would do it not because "Oh f**** gay pepole, i don't like them", but because I don't think it would be healthy for mental health of children.

 

*Citation needed 

[DrDildo]

Uh, look guys, I'm not denying that I can be wrong, maybe homosexual parents have the same qualification as heterosexual. Still I'm sticking to my opinion. 

 

Overwhelming contrary? I don't find it overwhelming but okay.

 

I'm really glad that people like willow512 did me a favor and took me out of my ignorance about curing stuff.

 

Still I think it's a disease, and even if I would be right (I don't say that I'm right) I see that I'm in environment that supports homosexuals, and for me it's just like fighting windmills.

 

Yes I'll vote like that, and we will see how other milions of pepole feel about it, you can vote like you wish, I can vote like i feel.

 

We aren't naturally suppose to do a lot of things, but by the way of technology (our hard work) this thing is possible.

 

So in the way you are thinking, the child is supposed to be owned, like a dog or thing, without their own opinion about it? Great.

 

And it's my last post in this thread, you probably think about me as an idiot who stands besides his opinion even when we showed him "overwhelming contrary", I know how you feel, believe me. Maybe I'm ignorant, but still for my mind none of your arguments  made a "breakthrough" , and I think that any posts made by me in this thread would only feed the flame. 

[Pixel Bombs]

So in the way you are thinking, the child is supposed to be owned, like a dog or thing, without their own opinion about it? Great.

Yo, great job completely missing the point. Its fine for kids to have opinions but to give them the choice of leaving a family because they are icky gay people is fucking stupid. And for the rest of your drivel you pretty much just confirmed that you don't like gay people for no other reason than because they are gay. 

 

You come in here making claims without evidence then when people call you out on it you play victim. Get over yourself.

[DrummerKidJack]

I'm really glad that people like willow512 did me a favor and took me out of my ignorance about curing stuff.

 

Still I think it's a disease, and even if I would be right (I don't say that I'm right) I see that I'm in environment that supports homosexuals, and for me it's just like fighting windmills.

 

So you've been given evidence that homosexuality is not a disease, and yet you're going to continue thinking it's a disease, because that's the way you "feel"?

 

Do I even need to say anything as to why that is ridiculous?

 

Oh, and secondly, we don't support homosexuals. We support people. Because, and this may come as a surprise, homosexuals are also people. If you had been placed in a world that chastises you, demonizes you, and punishes you for something that has been arbitrarily decided as being bad, and somebody started banging on and making laws about how the way you feel is somehow wrong because of the way that they feel, we'd be on your side too.

[Rathlord]

General warning to this whole thread, be lovely or it's getting locked

[PK'EZ-54]

Some people frustrate me. Maybe *Sniff*, maybe. But I have yet to meet one to frustrate EnigmaGrey.

[k12314]

General warning to this whole thread, be lovely or it's getting locked

 

Cripes, I only wanted to voice my frustrations and spark a discussion, not cause a shitstorm.

 

That seems to be the way things I start generally go though. Oops.

[SiC]

It's a tough subject for me. When I was younger I disliked and I guess you could say kind of hated gay people. I guess I felt threatened by the idea of a guy being attracted to me, and my father has always had a strong opinion on the subject to say the least. And as a kid you take over some of that behaviour. 

Thankfully, I grew up. I learned about what closed minds and blind hate can do (the main example for me being the holocaust) and I have done my utter best to open up my mind to everything as much as I can. Sad truth is that not everyone can be compatible or understood, and I fear that transsexuals are one such group of people that I won't ever 'get'. I don't hate them, I don't dislike them, the idea of it just makes me feel uncomfortable in some way.

 

I guess that is mainly due to the fact that I fully feel like a man and have certain ideas on what a man should be. I grow a beard because it makes me feel good, it reinforces the image of myself as a man. I feel uncomfortable with guys acting in feminine ways, like some gays, but not the majority of gays tend to do. Seeing a grown man coo at a kitten "because it's so cute" sends shivers up and down my spine (though that might be an extreme example).

Because I feel so strongly in the opposite direction I just don't connect to the idea of a feminine side. That's not to say I don't show emotions, or something silly like that and like some would believe to be a very manly personality trait. I'm a soft-hearted rough around the edges guy by nature, but there is a certain manly strength and pride too. It's just impossible for me to feel like 'they' do as I feel different so strongly.

 

And I might just be too cynical, I don't know. I could not in a good conscious have sex with a transsexual person, even after a sex change operation. For me that person would always be a man, wether all the parts are still there or not. But live and let live, they don't affect me. Everybody has a right to happiness.

That is ofcourse assuming someone wouldn't lead me on, making me believe that someone to be a woman despite having been a man. Though I see why transsexual people would withhold such information untill there is a certain level of familiarity, there is a limit where it becomes deceit and lies. I would feel violated I guess.

[EnigmaGrey]

Some people frustrate me. Maybe *Sniff*, maybe. But I have yet to meet one to frustrate EnigmaGrey.

With great verbosity, I reflect all frustrations.

[Rathlord]

That's good points all around SiC. What I've learned over my (not all that dissimilar) experiences is that we need not understand to respect, or even accept. Different things naturally make us humans feel uncomfortable- it's survival instinct at its most basic. The real measure of a human is being able to overcome that discomfort and move beyond our animal instincts. So while I may never understand homosexuality (or any of our other lovely friends) I will always respect them.

[Rathlord]

 

Some people frustrate me. Maybe *Sniff*, maybe. But I have yet to meet one to frustrate EnigmaGrey.

With great verbosity, I reflect all frustrations.

 

 

Maybe that's why our humor is missed by so many. As a good friend of mine once said, "Brevity is the soul of wit." Although I much prefer "Brevity is key to levity," it unfortunately falls prey to its own meaning.

[DrummerKidJack]

That's good points all around SiC. What I've learned over my (not all that dissimilar) experiences is that we need not understand to respect, or even accept. Different things naturally make us humans feel uncomfortable- it's survival instinct at its most basic. The real measure of a human is being able to overcome that discomfort and move beyond our animal instincts. So while I may never understand homosexuality (or any of our other lovely friends) I will always respect them.

Truth. It's not about what you feel about a person, but about how you behave in terms of that opinion.

[ianopolos]

 

I know now how real gays and tranny been through and i support them even if i dont like them.

 

Just a note that "tranny" is generally considered an offensive term by the transexual community; I suggest you not use it, and definitely not on this forum.

 

Im tired of you just bann me already i dont care.

And here btw look at this site maybe you heard of it its world number 1 cam girls site called

In its options to choose category says tranny so i wonder why they use that word maybe they not educated.

 

Moderator Warning

Redacted the link to the porn site and warned for abuse.

[Rathlord]

Im tired of you just bann me already i dont care.

 

And here btw look at this site maybe you heard of it its world number 1 cam girls site called

In its options to choose category says tranny so i wonder why they use that word maybe they not educated.

 

 

 

Yes, because we all know pornstars are so well known for being educated and unoffensive? Anyways, Mash doesn't need to ban you because I'm going to beat her to it. The number one rule of this forum is "be lovely" and you've now crossed the line. Mash wasn't trying to be mean to you, and she was quite nice in correcting you. We just don't want that kind of talk in our forums- it's a slur, whether you agree with it or not.

[Pixel Bombs]

Snipped because lol

 

Did you just link to a porn site? lol

[Rathlord]

I think this topic has run its course. It was an admirable sentiment k12314 but it's readily apparent that it's probably not the best place to talk about it. If anyone has any other questions, or ever feels they need to talk about something personal along this vein I (and the other moderators) are always glad to talk in private and/or recommend good sources you can go to for help/thought provoking material.