Erkinwine

The devs are using the methodology they are right now because
a) It works and
b) It's sustainable (Won't run out of money before game is finished)
 
The devs have been very, very clear on the features that need to have landed before they call the game done. Those features aren't in yet. Therefore, the game isn't done, and it will receive full attention from team TIS.

" If you know what you're doing you know if you can do it and approximately how long it will take "

PZ is a huge game, resulting in complications when it comes to doing even "simple" things. This means timeframes are unpredictable and unexpected problems will crop up. The bigger the change, the less predictable its timeframe will be.
 
" My opininion is just: at this pace they'll never be able to deliver a full game, at least, once again, anytime soon."
 
To me, that's not a problem so long as the game continues to grow. Those that bought into Early Access expecting a pre-order experience or assuming the game would be completed in a short period of time despite its scope and team size will need to adjust their expectations, as TIS can only work so fast.
 
" Supposed to have NPCs? Yes."
 
For the final version, yes. For the final version, there's still three or four big things that need to be put into the game, otherwise we wouldn't be in early access now.
 
That's the whole point of EA -- to fund the development of a project that's incomplete. In exchange, you get the game as it currently stands and any updates to it.
 
If that's not good enough, then you've made a mistake buying this and should not have -- though I'd hope the hours you spent in game was enough to justify the cost, for most, it'll be a hell of a lot more time than they get from more expensive games.
 
" Early Access, I wrote many times, for me is not charity. "
 
You pay money. You get game. You accepted that the product was incomplete at purchase and you knowingly bought a product that might never be finished.
 
This isn't a charitable donation or an investment. It's a straight exchange.
 
" TIS are lucky EA exists, they got the money without having a "final product" to offer and, be sure, many people could only dream that kind of opportunity in their line of work. "
 
Big companies are happy to sell you "final products" that are far from final, as well.  That TIS chooses not to emulate them just to keep you happy about the "pace," thanks to the support EA and alpha funding, shouldn't be such a severe downside.
 
" I mean years, not days or months. Years, many, more than you would consider "enough" for a game like PZ. That's my point. "

For you, maybe. I expected years when I bought it in 2011 and that's before the game's scope increased ludicrously to include the current public version of the game. PZ should never have been this big -- it should have been a tiny little game like the demo that people play for a few hours then move on. No MP, no saving, no huge maps, no sandbox, no modding support, no Lua, no 3D models, no pre-rendered animations, no farming, no seasons, no erosion, no smooth lighting, no shaders, no zoom, no vehicles, no "creative mode" and assorted mod tools released or in production  -- just a pert little story and some free-form play when the story ends. That's how I envisioned the game that I thought would take years back in 2011.

But no, now customers get almost as much entertainment from the damn thing as AAA titles and spend hundreds and thousands of hours in it -- single player or MP. It's touched on every survival aspect it can possibly touch on, to the point where very little is ever "new' anymore and people wait with baited breath for the two or three things that the game doesn't have while getting upset about incremental changes to what's already in game.
 
So I guess we'll all just have to accept that it'll be years after all, won't we? Because how do you expect them to just "finish" it any faster?
 
Your disappointment isn't going to change that. No one's is -- at worst, the constant expression of it will just further injure morale and maybe things will go a bit slower, or maybe the game simply will never be finished, but that's what happens when you gamble your $10 -- or in the case of TIS's staff, part of their  working lives.

So it isn't done tomorrow or even next year. Ask yourself this, since you claim to spend a great deal of time playing it - "Do you enjoy that time?" If so, why are you bitching? You are getting what you paid for. I've been on board since late 2014, sot that's two years, now. Do you know how many games can actually keep my attention for 2 years? Outside of the Civilization franchise, there are probably fewer than five, I certainly could not list five.
 
Now, over that two years there have been a handful of new patches released. Each one feels like an expansion and renews my vigor and excitement for the game. And I get all this for one low price paid a number of years ago. Quite frankly, if the game takes until 204X, I would not be disappointed, because I would have a game that I have played for 25 years.
 
-- Gosh, and my wife thinks I'm too cynical.
 
Let me add, that if the Dev. team stopped work on PZ tomorrow, it would be sad news, but I would certainly feel I got my money's worth. To the Dev. team: Please don't stop. I love this game, appreciate your hard work and look forward to playing Build 36 and beyond.

So it isn't done tomorrow or even next year. Ask yourself this, since you claim to spend a great deal of time playing it - "Do you enjoy that time?" If so, why are you bitching? You are getting what you paid for. I've been on board since late 2014, sot that's two years, now. Do you know how many games can actually keep my attention for 2 years? Outside of the Civilization franchise, there are probably fewer than five, I certainly could not list five.
 
Now, over that two years there have been a handful of new patches released. Each one feels like an expansion and renews my vigor and excitement for the game. And I get all this for one low price paid a number of years ago. Quite frankly, if the game takes until 204X, I would not be disappointed, because I would have a game that I have played for 25 years.
 
-- Gosh, and my wife thinks I'm too cynical.
 
Let me add, that if the Dev. team stopped work on PZ tomorrow, it would be sad news, but I would certainly feel I got my money's worth. To the Dev. team: Please don't stop. I love this game, appreciate your hard work and look forward to playing Build 36 and beyond.

I have looked into this and I understand there has been a mod created, which allows fro the crafting of sandbags. The topic also occurs in the discussion for other mods, but I'm wondering if any consideration has been given to this in the vanilla?
 
I have two ideas for how it can work given what is already part of the vanilla. The first option is simply crafting a pillow into a sandbag by opening an end and taking out the stuffing. The second requires two shirts, blouses or skirts, a needle and thread.
 
The first option would allow sandbags to be much more readily available in the game and might unbalance it somewhat - I don't know.
 
The second option would continue to have sandbags be something of a rarity given that thread isn't that easy to come by.

Hello all!
 
I hope you're all having fun with the new builds We've certainly gathered a nice long list of new bugs to squish, thanks for all the reports, it's helpful!

Our official(ish) wiki http://pzwiki.net, which we host, but don't currently curate (we've not got the time unfortunately), has gotten a little out of date again.  If some of you would be willing to invest a little time in expanding the wiki it would help us tremendously, anything that can be done to make the learning curve easier for our new zombie fighters would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you! <3

I also agree with this idea, but I want a way to get more seeds, too.
 
Shouldn't we be able to get watermelon seeds from watermelons? Tomato seeds from tomatoes? Or simply plant peas (fresh)? If I put a potato peal in fertile soil and water it regularly, in a couple of weeks, a little potato sprout will grow. Shouldn't this also be a method for farming? We have zucchinis, eggplants and tomatoes in our refrigerators. Should we not be able to get seeds from them? Especially when they have gone rotten.
 
I would also like to be able to let a crop of carrots go to seed so that I can replace the seeds from time to time.

I also agree with this idea, but I want a way to get more seeds, too.
 
Shouldn't we be able to get watermelon seeds from watermelons? Tomato seeds from tomatoes? Or simply plant peas (fresh)? If I put a potato peal in fertile soil and water it regularly, in a couple of weeks, a little potato sprout will grow. Shouldn't this also be a method for farming? We have zucchinis, eggplants and tomatoes in our refrigerators. Should we not be able to get seeds from them? Especially when they have gone rotten.
 
I would also like to be able to let a crop of carrots go to seed so that I can replace the seeds from time to time.

I also agree with this idea, but I want a way to get more seeds, too.
 
Shouldn't we be able to get watermelon seeds from watermelons? Tomato seeds from tomatoes? Or simply plant peas (fresh)? If I put a potato peal in fertile soil and water it regularly, in a couple of weeks, a little potato sprout will grow. Shouldn't this also be a method for farming? We have zucchinis, eggplants and tomatoes in our refrigerators. Should we not be able to get seeds from them? Especially when they have gone rotten.
 
I would also like to be able to let a crop of carrots go to seed so that I can replace the seeds from time to time.

I also agree with this idea, but I want a way to get more seeds, too.
 
Shouldn't we be able to get watermelon seeds from watermelons? Tomato seeds from tomatoes? Or simply plant peas (fresh)? If I put a potato peal in fertile soil and water it regularly, in a couple of weeks, a little potato sprout will grow. Shouldn't this also be a method for farming? We have zucchinis, eggplants and tomatoes in our refrigerators. Should we not be able to get seeds from them? Especially when they have gone rotten.
 
I would also like to be able to let a crop of carrots go to seed so that I can replace the seeds from time to time.