Adamiks

No. I really don't undertand how people can be so angry/sad/scared from playing a game (youtubers for example). When i'm angry i'm angry "inside" ;d What do you think about Put In Putin?

But even if they'll collapse you're safe rigth? My point is that these tents should be made from better materials that wouldn't break under a scratches of zombies.

@uberan. Enigma though about this too, this is why he gave me a post block for a *opinion* (without personaly or not harming someone..) about the rule, not even breaking the rule (sexist jokes etc.)

@John But what about log walls?

Ban Footmuffin for being muffin.

"The only possible materials that you could use to build a metal wall are galvanized roofs, and metal sheets, these are thin enough to be pierce by nails." Hey, but people in modern world built everything using only hammer and nails? The answer is no. There is a lot of tools that would help you to do it, but i'm not going deep here because it's just obvious (if it isn't just google it ;d).

Yeah, food-water system need some twiking. Like water should be used more often because characters in PZ are running almost 8 hours for day. And one pack of chips wouldn't feed you for a day of that running etc.

Soo... People with steam can't play with people on non-steam? Well... That sucks. Hopefuly i don't have friends to play with.

+1 for spikes. Also +1 for smithing with a job or recipes.

Now, you only need to make some limites so players will can play with this even on MP! ;d Anyway, great work!

Oh... I don't noticed that. I downloaded Hydrocraft like 1 week ago ;d

Yeah, for me food or water isn't really a problem due to free water at every house, but this isn't really good reason to make water gathering unrealistic. And there is almost no lakes in Muldraugh. If i remember there is only a one house in the woods with the lake and some other cabins with wells but that's all.

Sounds like we have some testing to do! Testing to see if fitness and strength degrade overtime is going to be really really boring to test though. I mean the TV and radio broadcasts aren't in yet, so sitting around the house eating chips all day with nothing to do but read... Well... You made that testing for nothing because i can say you that i got broken leg (due to stupid not-fence looking fence on warehouse...) and i got a LOT of fitness and sprint XP due to "sprinting" (holding shift) so yeah - your XP gain will increase with broken leg rather than decrease.

Great mod! I hope you will be able to add noise to the hunting etc. But the only thing i don't understand - why the heck Hydrocraft don't use it already? It's way better and more logicial than using binoculars with poop on it to find and insta-kill with your hands deer.

More guns, cure? Never said that.

My point is - there is too small diference in point beetwen above "kinda strong" and "demi-god". End levels should require more points or average less.

Ban Asparagus for being rude to people who like farting.

So it looks that you're rigth is i said that, but if i did i meant "if devs would add it to every mode you could ignore this after all" etc. Well, but after all i discuss things confirmed as "no" that have anything to do with what OP said so it isn't spam/off-topic after all. And the problem is that people rather like to add something to the pointless discussion that say "Man, talking about it here is pointless" etc. It's not like i blame them for this, because i would do it also. I though about it when i was writing that part but then i though that you'll maybe don't see how illogicial it *can* be ;d But returning to topic - that devs made illogicial mechanic doesn't mean they're illogicial, it can mean that they don't finished that mechanic etc. Also, i don't see a reason why i need to prove why something is illogicial, it's after all only my opinion and logic of every human is a bit different. But i do it though (i mean... I don't prove it with any hard-science stuff exactly from the best sources, i "prove" it expanding why i think like this and why i'm right etc. but i found that people will mostly stick to their opinions no matter how many "proves" ((even "flat" scientific proves)) you would make), so at that point it's just my shit-talking. But still - it was rude. People aren't dickheads every day only because they don't get arrested for this ;d Forums would be amazing if this would work in another way, though - if you're breaking rules you're breaking rules, no more needed to get warning.

I'm saying "how it's hurt your experience" even if it's confirmed no by devs because i'm not talking with devs. Even if it's confrimed no doesn't mean that i can't discuss about these thing with not devs but other people what they think about it and why they like it/don't like it etc. What devs said have almost nothing to do with it, because i'm human after all and i talk about pointless things. Hell! Our whole life is pointless! And i'm not saying devs are illogicial. I'm saying that some mechanism are illogicial/they still need some work but as they are now they aren't too logicial for me. It's actually really big difference. And i apologize for "swearing" (not that it matters at all). It's exactly why i got frustratted also - because after discussing a lot with that same people (Enigma, Taco etc.) at almost that same time in different topics i was just tired of almost that same arguments like (universal one, i think) - "you're forcing devs to do X and Y, PZ isn't game for you". Anyway i think that we all chilled out a bit so it's good. Btw i don't think you should double-post as a admin ;p

I agree about all tha Average Joe and stuff. And it's almost exactly my point - average levels shouldn't be so hard to obtain. For example on level 6, above average you need 30000 points and on level 10, demi-god you need 150000. 5x30000=150000. If reaching level 10 is fail of devs then why level 6 is so hard to obtain compared to "you shouldn't reach it" level (10)?

@Rathlord. You literally saying that every opinion = forcing devs to do something. That i write some ideas how to "solve" problem of OP doesn't mean i'm saying "Hey devs! Do it now! YOU HEAR ME! NOW!" (or at any point in time, just to be clear). And i think that Enigma was the first one that said anything about sandbox option. Like CaptKaspar said - i never said anything like that. Though, i'm really sorry to be rude in these posts. I have some hot days in my country right now, so i decided to choose night "lifestyle" (i'm sleeping at day etc.), yesterday was day when i introuduced my "plan", it was 4AM for me so i was really freakin tired, this is why i got angry pretty easily (also Enigma locked two topics where i was talking with people ((without really big reason, in my opinion)) a lot so this is why i said all of that). Sorry about that. I know that my English is bad and i apogolize for that. Btw i would really appreciate if you guys would try to correct my mistakes. This will help me in getting better at that language.

If you're talking about "walking on zombies" part then i explained it. If you're talking about general thing - all i can say is that it's due to my bad English or due to that Enigma is talking about things i don't said (and i don't even said a little bit of them) and the whole conversation is messed up. I understand not be able to understand someone but when someone is changing "crawlers crawling under zombies" to "don't walk on the zombies" (i'm using that same words that both of us used in their posts) then it's crearly just being too lazy to read something really carefuly. Btw i don't understand that "bleach" thing. Do you mean that i said something and now i made a discussion from it etc.? Well... Then you blame me for someone replying to me. They don't need to do it in first place. And my points here may be confusing because it's 4AM for me, but still - changing crawler stuff to me walking on corpses is really just a Enigma problem in reading.

Re: walking on crawlers. Quote my words when i said that. I didn't. I said that zombies can walk on crawlers not that IM walking on crawlers. Re: Logic. Because "scratching" in PZ makes you bleed a lot i assume this isn't paper-like scratch or something. I think it's "someone tried to rip your skin off" kind of scratch and because of that i think there is almost 0% to not get infected from zombie if - for some reason that game don't talk about - skin of zombie/wound contact with meat of zombie can make you infected. TLDR - finger of zombies would have a lot of zombie blood on them and becaue scratch in PZ is badass scratch that makes you bleed a lot there is almost 0% to not get infected from zombie if your body (or disinfectant) can't do shit about this pathogen. Re: Sandbox I think that devs have a brain and it's obvious that if players talk about things they don't like, they (devs) can solve this problem making sandbox option and i don't need to suggest that thing every time i'm talking about something. That devs have their own vision don't make them gods that will not change their master plan. After all devs added some things suggested by community. And you're wrong with this sandbox option. Being zombified is the most popular way of dying in PZ so if would disable that i can even disable zombies because they're not big deal. Afer this i can stop playing. It it isn't solving my problem and only adds more problems. Re: PS. You just doing things about i was talking about. [Happy now?] Quote my words where i said that you personally attacked me. Again - you don't even try to understand what i'm saying or you just have a really big problems in understanding someone points in general. To be honest i don't even expected that kind of reply from you when i said that you're talking about things i don't even said. Ironic, because just did it after what i said. Not talking about "don't agree with me, don't talk to me" part, because i also said it's not because you don't agree with me. There is a guy on the forum (i don't remember his name, it's start on C and he have newbie avatar but 700 posts) that have amazing abilities in understanding what someone is saying and even if he would disagree with me i wouldn't be upset/mad/sad or something because he understood what i said (and also what others said btw) and it's really one thing that i require in any kind of discussion. @Taco Do you even realized that i was replying to Enigma that said something about "walking on zombies" (like i said that or something... I really didn't) and then i replied to this non-sense? If you're going to blame someone blame him for talking about it in the first place. When i write something i try to explain it with the limited English i have, but you really leave a lot open to interpenetration, that is the main problem i have, also you are getting kinda unlovely, you need to chill a bit. It's not my fault that Enigma left that part open to interpenetration in the first place. I don't had a idea about what he was talking about, this is why my reply was also unclear. He said this like i said something about that i'm walking on zombies and then getting bitten, when i was talking about zombies walking on clawlers. At that point i think it's Enigma fault rather than my that this part of discussion is really unclear. I will make rest of my reply to your post tomorrow because i see already that you don't fully understand about what i'm talking about/to what i'm replying to. Sounds similiar, huh?

1. I'm not playing on IWBUMS. Why? Because it's "i will back up my save". But i can say that i today i had situation where one crawler was crawling under foots of some zombies and another crawler made from fast zombies was really freaking fast, almost as fast as normal fast zombie, which really sucks, because we use legs to walk and not arms for a reason. "so you don't know if they got fixed or not" Yes, but going that logic people couldn't report bugs/talk about bugs if they don't play on IWBUMS. "Don't walk on the zombies, okay? You're just asking to get into trouble." Are you kidding me? Do i need to descripe whole figthing process in PZ and why you need to figth in the first place? I'm not going to anyway - just use your info and imagination of posible situations. If i would "WALK ON ZOMBIES" i would be dead every first day. "b. same as above, and provide the distinction of whether you're talking about sandbox settings or multiplayer" "Something is unrealistic for you? You feel that it's buggy? Then don't freakin' use it! Best idea ever!! Just skip part of the game and try to don't die!" It's literally what you're saying rigth now. And it was sandbox with default zombies btw. "2) How can it be illogical if you don't know what the zombie pathogen is?" If it isn't pathogen from alien world (and i really doubt it) then it can be. If your body can easily defeat the pathogen then any kind of disinfectant also should be able to do so. This is why they're called like this. "And we're back to "If you don't like it, change it."" No, we're back to "because you discuss things it means that you really hate devs, don't care about their opinion and want them to make WHAT YOU WANT". But you could talk about sandbox which is just stupid because.... You can't freakin' change how crawlers works. Or you was talking about mods which is even more stupid because players shouldn't need to mod every unbalanced/unlogicial thing (talking about too fast crawlers) in the game rather than say that there is something wrong with them in their opinion and hope that devs will (probably finally) make something to change it. It may be hard to understand but there ARE people that don't want/can't make their way into modding. I'm modder (weak, though... I made some mods in Rimworld and i'm mostly "doing random stuff" in code) but you really should consider what you saying right now. You want every people playing in PZ make mods rather than say something on forum. I don't have a idea about what exactly you was talking about so choose one of my shit-talking... P.S. I think you don't try/fail to understand what someone is saying. It's like you read first words and post something about it. Actually i'm not saying about your post here - i'm talking about your posts in genera. I'm not saying only about myself. Also it's not because you mostly disagree with me, no, it's not because of that. It's because (just like taco, in my opinion) talk about things i don't even said or said in another purpose and you probaly knew that but you still used them in your advantage (in discussion, made your arguments the winning ones etc.). This kind of behavior really is really annoying in discussion, because it leads to many repeating what someone said. P.S. 2 It's a late night for me so sorry if you can't even read what i'm saying.