The13thRonin

I custom made a small 1x1 urban map and I want it to load by itself (not part of the default map), much like Phoenix does. I have followed a tutorial guide and I have generated: 0_0.lotheader world_0_0.lotpack and created a: map.info file. These three files are into users/mods/Fairfall/media/maps/Fairfall I see it when I open up a new game but if I select it and make a character it fails with an unspecified error. This is the console: I think I have to create a spawnpoints file and an objects file but I do not know how to do this, help please? Textures and Sprites Loaded.ERROR: "media/maps/Fairfall/spawnpoints.lua" doesn't exist, spawn points may be brokenERROR: no spawn region was chosen, don't know where to spawn the playertiledef: loading media/tiledefinitions.tilestiledef: loading media/newtiledefinitions.tilestiledef: loading media/tiledefinitions_erosion.tilescan't find map objects file: media/maps/Fairfall/objects.luaMAX #ZONES is 0java.lang.RuntimeException: can't create player at x,y,z=11702,6896,0 because the square is null at zombie.iso.IsoWorld.init(IsoWorld.java:1474) at zombie.gameStates.GameLoadingState$1.runInner(GameLoadingState.java:242) at zombie.gameStates.GameLoadingState$1.run(GameLoadingState.java:217) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:724)[ZNetJNI] ZNetFriends::OnPersonaStateChange

I placed some tiles down outside my building. I have come back to edit the map today and I can't remove the tiles and replace them with other tiles? How do I do this? EDIT: Apparently they became frames? What is a frame?

I wonder whats going on... :/ The maps dead, what's there to wonder? read again . The map author's last post was in June... That was over four months ago. Reading is an important first step but does not replace critical thinking skills.

I wonder whats going on... :/ The maps dead, what's there to wonder?

I've done it before by copying the whole Bedford Falls folder to media/maps and then going inside the Bedford Falls folder and cutting all of the lotheader and chunkdata files and pasting them into /media/maps/Muldraugh, KY. Then overwrite. Do this for all the maps you want. I added ND, Rebuild, Walking Dead Prison and Bedford. Then when you boot up the game select Muldraugh as the map. If this is for a server every single other player will need to do this with their files too.

I still can't forage on this map? I am using several different custom maps together so I created a BedFord Falls map folder in media/maps/ and dumped all of the chunk/load data files into the Muldraugh, KY folder overwriting them. I also have BedFord Falls mod ticked in-game. EDIT: Back again on the 3/10/15. Foraging still not working despite trying everything including replacing the object file. Something is definitely wrong with foraging. Unless like 90% of the woods to the North-East of the well are not foragable.

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This is a good idea.

If you treat everyone in society like a criminal and lock them all up there won't be any muggings. There's a reason the government doesn't do that. Gosh. That has no baring at all on this discussion. Keep it up, along with the racism comments, and we can kill this thread together. Comments about racism are not racist. It was a fair analogy. Could you explain your problem with it? Racism is about not valuing people as individuals but painting groups with a negative brush. I'm not saying that you're racist but you're using a similar method. The whole community is not bad because of the actions of a few. If you kill the thread that's your business. This is your forum, your community that you built over the last four years. If that's what you want then I can't stop you (nor would I care to if I could). This will be my last comment on this anyway as at this point we're just going round and round in circles. A lot of the comments I have made you have not responded to at all. I still want to know why everyone is punished for the actions of a few bad eggs. Surely your opinion of this community is higher than that? I must say that I love this game and I have ever since 2011 but the exchange we have had in this thread has really jaded me now. I am not a troll... I am a person who has bought, played and loved your game for the better part of four years (and will still continue to do so). However I don't appreciate it when a team member would discount all of that and act in such a dismissive way just because I don't agree with their point of view entirely. I think as someone who supported you right from the start, right from the very start, who stuck with you through all of the major ups and downs, I deserve better than that... And I believe there are other people here who deserve better than that too. And we're just all getting tarred with the same brush. I walk away from this thread greatly saddened by that fact.

If you treat everyone in society like a criminal and lock them all up there won't be any muggings. There's a reason the government doesn't do that. Don't lump everyone with valid concerns or who disagrees with you in with people who are actual trolls or who post in bad faith. These two groups are not the same. Why should all of the community be treated like children who are on the verge of having a tantrum for the misdeeds of a few? Not everyone in the community is bad. Most people are good.

I'm just going to point this one thing out that bothered me. Let's go with this mugging theory. When the Indie Stone make a post aka step on the train, they don't get mugged (complaints) usually, but when they wave the wad of bills aka ETAs they do (or if they drop it accidentally aka don't make the date), and even more so with anything related to NPCs aka the "mug me" sign (it's slowly developed to this and I think this is a decent comparison). What they should do in your scenario is, at least how I see it, exactly what they are doing... They haven't stopped taking the train, they just don't wave the money anymore. And the signs have been left home. The train is still moving and you can read updates etc. Even if it is bias that's caused, I personally would not post any ETAs or NPC related either, as it has almost always fueled angry discussions. I'm not taking sides on how Enigma or anyone else is doing their job, as it's not in my interests. If that's your main point then I digress. That is an interesting perspective Suoimboi, I appreciate the fact that you shared it and that you did so without attacking me. Would you allow me to elaborate on my perspective further? I am not trying to say that your perspective is wrong, only trying to give you greater insight into my own way of thinking. If the Indie Stone holding the 'mug me' sign is analogous to them releasing information on NPCs then they should have stopped getting mugged after they stopped releasing information about NPCs. The fact that we are here in this thread discussing that decision and the fact that it is also discussed on the Steam forums seems to indicate that people being bitter about the lack of NPCs have not disappeared. To go back to my analogy which by now is becoming admittedly convoluted it would be analogous to the Indie Stone removing their shirt and flipping the bird at everyone in the area while still holding the sign. They have not addressed the root concerns of parts of their community by engaging with them... They have just told those people (and everyone around them that happens to not be a jerk) that they don't care about their concerns. Like I mentioned before... I absolutely condemn people being jerks to the Indie Stone. But just because there are some jerks does not discount all the people out there that aren't jerks that might hold the same opinions but not be quite so vitriolic about them. I hope you can understand my thinking here even if you do not agree with it. I'm going to like your post anyway because I appreciate you adding to the discussion.

Making decisions based on experiences and not logic is faulty though. If you'll humor me, I'll draw you an analogy... If someone is mugged by someone who is *INSERT ETHNICITY HERE* for example while walking down the street (even if it happened twice or three times) then the person might make an incorrect conclusion based on their experiences. Some incorrect and racist conclusions that they might reach are: - *INSERT ETHNICITY HERE* are more dangerous than other people. - *INSERT ETHNICITY HERE* are all criminals. I use this example of an incorrect and racist conclusion because I personally know people who have sadly been the victim of crimes and then use that experience to reach an illogical conclusion. The logical conclusion is: - I was mugged which was unfortunate but it has nothing to do with race. While this conclusion is correct it does not align with the hypothetical person's 'lived experiences'. Sometimes the only way for a person to see past their own 'lived experiences' is by hearing perspectives from other people. This is why discussion is important and why you never shut discussion down if you want a healthy exchange of ideas.

As a member of the Project Zomboid team you just called the whole thread 'trollish' (which you did not elaborate on when questioned). Before that you said: 'This thread was much less exciting than anticipated. "No. That's not a challenge."' As I explained before as one of the official team you carry a lot of influence. You are implicitly encouraging members of the community to attack the discussion happening in the thread. You'll notice evidence of this (not that such an obvious statement should even need proof but I will oblige anyway) in the fact that even among all of the people disagreeing with the argument that more information should be released about NPCs your comments have the most likes and are referenced the most by other people (directly quoting you). If that's not an attempt to shut the discussion down then what is? I'm not insisting anything. You flat out stated that your stance is informed by your past experiences. If that is not a bias to you then would you please give me your definition of bias? The one I provided you is from a dictionary. When someone's sweet old grandmother makes racist remarks she is also making them based on her past experiences. That doesn't make the remarks right, it makes them based on biases.

Trollish title? The original post was perhaps a little on the blunt side but I have no reason to believe the thread was posted in bad faith? What exactly is trollish about the title? Honest question... I don't know how to prove this to you but I just can't see what you can see here. I have argued for people being allowed to express an opinion without being dog-piled for it. This might blow your mind (or it might not) but I am actually for Atheists having the right to express themselves even though I'm a Catholic. Not only am I for them having the right to express themselves I think honest discussion between these groups helps to generate healthy introspection and is overall a positive thing. I never claimed to be disinterested in the discussion itself (or obviously I wouldn't be posting). But I honestly couldn't care less whether you provide more information regarding NPCs or not. I care that people should not be shut down for 'wrong-think'. Everyone has cognitive biases by the way. This is not a bad thing. It does not make you bad people (I have cognitive biases too)... All it means is that you should make an extra effort to recognise that you are being influenced by past experiences and work to actively overcome the biases and listen to other perspectives (this does not mean that you have to submit to them though). Giving in to a bias is never the right thing to do. You are better than that. I am sorry that people have been jerks to you in the past... But don't assume that means that everyone will be a jerk in the future. Your community is having this discussion because they care about your game... If they didn't care they'd be playing something else.

"No, but you may have unintentionally implied it, as you continue to insist that the end result of four years of history with thousands of people is somehow a cognitive bias. I may have unintentionally implied it? According to who? I am outright telling you what my argument is in the most clear and explicit manner possible. If you're asserting the power to decide on the meaning of someone's words lies with the person listening and not the person speaking then I can claim you are implying anything. For example I could claim that what you're saying may have unintentionally implied that you drink the tears of orphaned puppies. Why do you hate puppies so much? I hope you can see that this kind of reasoning is both frustrating and reductive. Your history is exactly why you have a cognitive bias. You have admitted that you are having an emotional reaction to your past experiences. Perhaps I'm just over sensitive to something that seems to combine both illogical behavior and irrationality, and your insistence that this is really what's going on, regardless of the side (or lack of side) you take on this matter." I don't see how anything that I've said has been illogical or irrational. If you do find this to be the case I'm going to need you to be specific about what you're having trouble understanding. It is a useless discussion; we have our own collective history to back this up... The topic remains open only so that others may discuss it. At most, it provides a place for those that agree or disagree to congregate. If it is a useless discussion then the thread should be deleted or locked. Leaving it open and calling it useless at the same time makes no sense. If it remains open (which I strongly believe it should) it should be engaged with in good faith. The fact that it is one of the most active topics on the board speaks volumes regarding the fact that this is a discussion that should be happening. Unfortunately, I missed the references you provided in your initial post, however. Of those games, only Towns I actively followed. The outcry wasn't because of a lack of ETAs, but because it was abandoned after its last update? The point was that Towns never gave ETAs for its updates. When the updates did come before development was shut down reception was overwhelmingly negative. While it is hard to prove with hard evidence, it is likely that a large part of the negative reception of the updates was lack of transparency and a failure to engage with the community in a positive manner. You're sure my questions were strawman above? Because . . . *Sigh* Now you've expliciately said that you disagree with TIS's decision regarding this matter. Which is fine, but sort of defeats the "I have no side in this" plea. Claiming that there is validity to an argument is not the same as adopting that argument for yourself. The world is not black or white, there are many different shades of grey. There is no reason to get angry with what I am saying or speak condescendingly (referring to the *sigh*). I am not personally attacking you. I'd rather keep the conversation gentlemanly if possible?