Connall
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Banned for confusing me.
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You have excellent taste in games.
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That's me done for tonight. I was able to fix up Player (included instructions on character creation) as well as fixing the FAQ tonight. I also noticed that the occupation page was linking to a page for every job, but it looked like they were all mainly stubs. Therefore (with permission from Pianoman) I consolidated the information and requested that the pages get deleted. I'm going to take a look at the guides tomorrow and stuff that is linked on the front page since I imagine that is what needs to be critically changed, since that's what players will see first.
Anywho it's been a long night so I'm off to bed. Most likely think about the wiki while I'm laying in bed.
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I dont think its very pressing that it gets addressed but the Last Stand mode on the Wiki could do with a spruce, afaik (Its been a while since I played with LS mode) Challenge 1 and 2 operate slightly differently and one has permanent unlockable skills/buffs after you've made a character for it.
The crafting recipes page is outdated too.
I have been making the assumption that stuff associated with recipes and items are outdated (though hadn't look to confirm that suspicion. Suppose I can change that. Going to add these under Urgent as well.
Edit: I will say regarding guides, I'm still flip flopping on them. I'm aware they need to be updated but alot of them seem to be personal guides. Hopefully the original authors may come and update them but if not I guess I'll spruce them up.
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I dont think its very pressing that it gets addressed but the Last Stand mode on the Wiki could do with a spruce, afaik (Its been a while since I played with LS mode) Challenge 1 and 2 operate slightly differently and one has permanent unlockable skills/buffs after you've made a character for it.
I've added it to the Urgent pile.
I also updated the FAQ. Didn't require much, but if anyone could make sure that everything is in order that would be helpful. I'll link other tutorials on the page once they have been updated.
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I would be interested in helping, I don't have a specific section I want to work on though. I will keep an eye out on this thread and help wherever I can.
That would be great! I posted some stuff up in the OP but I'm still having a look around the wiki. No doubt there will be plenty of things to edit.
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I got to say, I hate the show. I love the comics but the show leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. I'll say why, but spoilers ahoy. Major spoilers for the first two seasons.
No seriously. Spoilers.
The characters are just poorly written, I mean I get people have flaws, but there's flaws then there's poor writing. The thing that bugs me the most though are the deaths. They carry no emotional weight (for the most part) so lets have a look.
First season. We have a bunch of nameless people die, except Amy, Jim, Ed, Jacqui and Edwin Jenner plus a bunch of nameless survivors who seem to bite it in the big battle. Now Amy has a bit of character exploration but not much before she dies. Just enough to the point where you could feel the weight of the death. Ed? Ed's an asshole so you're pretty much rooting for his death. Then we get people like Jim, they BEGIN to get some characterization, then boom bit by walker. Well so much for hopefully having him as a decent character. COMIC SPOILER
Though he dies in the comic as well so it doesn't really bother me that much.
Jacqui is again an underdeveloped character who's just there. Not much to really say about her she's just so damn bland. Edwin Jenner however I felt was actually one of the strongest characters of that season and felt he was incredibly well written in that final episode, that it gave me hope for the next season. Still, the fact that Shane survived the camp didn't feel like it was because they were trying to do something different, but more to do with the fact that they didn't want to lose a character that could create a conflict for Rick and Lori.
The second season is absolute abysmal when it comes to deaths. Otis pissed me off to no end. Again he played a bit of a bigger role in the comics but was just quickly disposed of in the show, which was a shame because I was kind of interested to see what would happen as a relationship between himself and Carl and Rick etc. However, never materializes. Dale was actually a bit significant but was for the stupidest reasons. I imagine it was going for a reap what you sow with Carl but otherwise killed off a relatively decent character for the stupidest of reasons. Then those two. The names I can't remember but they die when the farmhouse falls. I hate this mainly because the episode before, after being absent for ages say a few lines (one of whom was only there to create conflict between Rich and Herschel) then they die. It happens in the third season as well.
Remember Axel? Remember how right before he dies, he starts developing some fucking character then is immediately killed off as a blatant middle finger. It just feels like the show is so scattergun in it's approach. It develops characters it's about to kill of right before they kill them off, eventually making the whole affair pointless and trivial.
Bleh. I don't like that writing in the spoiler. Might come back and clean it up later. Just hate this so much!
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Well, I can now add ArmA 3 onto that list.
After trying out the first part mission of what is no doubt going to be a very short lackluster campaign, I think ArmA 3 is shaping up to be a mainstream mess.
Such a shame, hopefully the community can save this doomed franchise.
Have you played the Arma 2 campaign? It's pretty.... awful. Apart from the occasional sandboxy mission which were alright it was an awful mess of a thing. Out of place music, awful voice acting as well as pretty poor AI. The only reason Arma 2 became so popular before was the niche it was in along with the Modding community and the ability to create epic battles in minutes. Then DayZ came along and brought more people into the fold.
What I think is more deserving to be pissed off at is the content. I'm aware that they wanted to place it in the "near future" but frankly. Screw that. The lack of weapons plus the similarity between just about all the BLUFOR main weapons (I mean seriously what's up with that?) and the lack of vehicles pisses me off to no end. I want my M16 and M14. MP5 and M21. I don't care for the new stuff. I might like it more, if there was more of it, but there isn't. At a first glance it can be incredibly tough to actually tell what the difference between the weapons actually are.
Yep, I agree.
But I must stress that the ArmA 2 campaign, while not brilliant, had co-op and the first mission alone was far more interesting than what the first campaign episode threw out. I also feel that we will be getting less content wise with the campaign than previous installments.
This is just another nail in the coffin for the ArmA franchise. As I ranted about before, the creative design and the lack of any sort of meaningful assets on full release is hugely disappointing.
That is true. I think this generation is showing more than anything that nostalgia for the old doesn't mean the new will be good or better. I expected more from these games and I also expected ALOT more from Takedown (seriously, what the fuck?) it's kind of made me think that these series should probably stay dead to avoid more disappointment.
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-snip-Appreciate it. Like I said this thread is more to see what others feel needs the most updating for the wiki and such and I'll be sure to speak to you about some things. I certainly won't be making any major changes (apart from maybe a page overhaul if it is required, but I would see about clearing it with you before hand.) and I won't be touching the main page, unless it's for minor edits again something I would check with you.
No need, it is now his title
Such an honor!
I appreciate it very much
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Now as many people may of noticed the wiki is looking a bit old. Information is out of date and sections of the wiki are stubs or links to empty pages. As seems to be the discussion, this needs to change. Many of the workers at The Indie Stone do not have the time to dedicate to the wiki to update it, so it's up to us the community to try and get this information up to date. How? Editing it.
WAIT! DON'T CLOSE THE TAB!
I get it. Wiki software is... interesting to navigate and use. Don't want to edit it? That's fine but that doesn't mean you can't be helpful. If you are completely afraid of editing the wiki (which is fine) then all you have to do is have a quick scan through the wiki and look for key things. What pages are completely out of date? What requires an overhaul? Which pages do you feel should be of higher priority? Is it minor changes or huge ones? Do you go to reference a page on the wiki and find it doesn't have enough information for your liking? Then say something. Post a link or say the topic you feel needs changing and say how important it is. I will designate it (and hope others would use this system too when posting in this thread) of the three stage system.
Emergency Edit Required or RED
This is the stuff that needs to be changed as soon as possible. It should be the top of the list and the thing that deserves the most attention. These pages are usually essential and will give new players a huge help when starting the game for the first time.
Urgent Edit Required or AMBER
This is the stuff that while important is something that can wait. Crafting recipes or new items are something that would be categorized under this.
Edit When Possible or GREEN
This is the stuff that can wait. It's at the bottom of the list and not critical for players. This would be staff profiles or character history (no offence guys
) edit it when we have a moment, but leave it be for now. This can also include things that are just out of date. Little bits and pieces of the information are outdated/incorrect but can wait.When writing about a topic it would also be helpful to add bits of information. Such as how out of date something is, or pieces of information should be added, but is not necessary.
Posting something about this in the thread would be monumentally helpful. I'm still browsing the wiki to see what needs changing, but it should be what is demanded most that should be changed first. After all, what I consider an Emergency Edit may be an Urgent edit for others. The idea is to get the community helping with the wiki, even if they can't edit the wiki, whether through lack of knowledge or time.
Editors
Now of course it would be helpful to get some editors in on this. We could use this thread as a means of communication as the wiki talk page is not very friendly or pleasing to the eyes. We could talk about any changes here or even make it so that certain editors could ask to take on a task so as to make sure no-body starts writing a huge amount when someone else is already working on it. As such in the post below here I will not only be keeping track of what information needs changing but who is editing it and hopefully what they are working on. If an editor doesn't seem to be doing anything or they seem to disappear then we will be able to reassign the task to someone else. By no means do people need to do any of this. However, I figure this might be a useful organised system.
If I end up editing the wiki by myself. Meh, so be it. I will however do my best to make sure this thread stays up to date and that the wiki gets constant edits.
I'll reserve the post belowwhich I'll use for setting up the edit information and editors list once I get some feedback from you guys and see whether this is something worth pursuing.I will also quickly say, I used to be a member way back when right at the beginning before all this fancy menus and saving was even in the game and wrote some guides back then as well. I took a break from the game and the community to get through my school and came back after I saw there was need for some wiki editors and the game seemed to of made a huge change (I enjoy that sort of thing when it comes to cames like Project Zomboid. Makes the game feel fresh again).
Like I said, interested to hear feedback for the idea and such but if it amounts to nothing then I shall brave the wiki alone and slowly lose my mind I'm sure. Must be off to bed it's 11:30PM and I need to get up in 6 hours :/ so apologies for any mistakes in this.
Information Layout
What Needs Editing
Emergency Edit Required
Urgent Edit Required
Edit When Possible
- Staff Profiles
- Just generally check around the wiki.
They seem a bit empty and barren. While doing some research on Spiffo I came across a few interviews which could fill those pages up. They're also not formatted so figured that needs to be fixed. It's also criminal that Will Porter has no page. I mean really, this should probably be classed as an Emergency Edit!
- Characters & Story
Just some things that could be expanded. I put these down low since getting the players to understand the mechanics of the games rather than the story I imagine would be more important, but I'll probably give this an edit later in the week.
Updated 06/12/13
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Well, I can now add ArmA 3 onto that list.
After trying out the first part mission of what is no doubt going to be a very short lackluster campaign, I think ArmA 3 is shaping up to be a mainstream mess.
Such a shame, hopefully the community can save this doomed franchise.
Have you played the Arma 2 campaign? It's pretty.... awful. Apart from the occasional sandboxy mission which were alright it was an awful mess of a thing. Out of place music, awful voice acting as well as pretty poor AI. The only reason Arma 2 became so popular before was the niche it was in along with the Modding community and the ability to create epic battles in minutes. Then DayZ came along and brought more people into the fold.
What I think is more deserving to be pissed off at is the content. I'm aware that they wanted to place it in the "near future" but frankly. Screw that. The lack of weapons plus the similarity between just about all the BLUFOR main weapons (I mean seriously what's up with that?) and the lack of vehicles pisses me off to no end. I want my M16 and M14. MP5 and M21. I don't care for the new stuff. I might like it more, if there was more of it, but there isn't. At a first glance it can be incredibly tough to actually tell what the difference between the weapons actually are.
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Someone make a new Youtube-like website with ads to generate some money but nothing else of the shit Google/youtube are doing on their site, believe me it will make you rich...
It won't really.
While people bitch about the comment systems and such, Google won't do shit until many, many, many high profile YouTubers stop posting videos on youtube and decide to go somewhere else. In the end why do people go to Youtube? Some just browse, others go see their favorite youtubers and therefore it helps bring in money for Google.
"Then why not just block youtube ads. Send Google a message?" great idea, but flawed. You would need to bring in a huge amount of people to make even a slight difference and if it did become a huge enough problem Google would invest more time into circumventing the ad block systems.
At the moment this whole debacle is just hurting content creators more than anything, since comments are able to distribute malicious links and such. While I find it admirable that people would switch to somewhere like DailyMotion or Vimeo you have one problem with that. Monetization. While I'm unaware how Vimeo handles it I'm pretty sure Dailymotion has no system in place, or if they do a pretty crappy one. Not to mention by switching sites your hurting yourself since you would see a drop in how many viewers there were on average, since a 1:1 retention when switching channels or sites is an incredibly tough thing to pull off.
I imagine the only way Google would ever bother to change the system is if a huge chunk of content creators left, or people kicked up so much fuss it started getting covered by reputable news sites and newspapers.
Forgot to add something. Above all else people are generally... well. Lazy. When push comes to shove I doubt people will put much effort in switching sites, creating accounts and following people again.
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Change.org is a bit bollocks.. The petitions rarely work, and some use the petition as a twisted way of advertising. I don't generally like Change.org.