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Konrad Knox

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If PZ was set in Alaska, you would have a different story. Our rights to carry are loose to the extreme, and more people I know have swords than baseball bats. I do not own a baseball bat, for one. 

 

Okay, this is unfair, because I hang out with people who fight with swords and not play baseball, so I am sure baseball bats are still more common. However, my fencing school does a demo at the renaissance fair, so by extension I know a lot of people who own battle ready swords, and blacksmiths who work on them. And I must say, there are about 1000 people I know in town who own numerous swords and medieval gear of some form, and of them maybe 50 who own fully legitimate combat ready equipment.

 

My household has 4 swords and a sword-cane, and more daggers than I can count, and a full suit of armor. 

 

If a town has a renaissance fair, the chances of looting swords in household increase. But again, Anchorage has about 500 000 people now. Muldraugh has what like 3000?

 

Yeah, sword is doomed. Burying myself deeper and deeper.  :cry:

 

 

Time for the mod: Project Zomboid: Operation Anchorage!

LOL

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Would have this kind of weapon. Mace, sword, flail weapon, are found only in appropriate places. Museum shop, etc. broker.

Yes why not. I also suggested in another of my posts to find a suit of armor in a museum. But there will be only one or two across the map.

Lamenuit, i ask, how are you gonna find a full suit of armor + medieval weapons in an american town..?

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So many people would love to wield a sword in PZ. Why not make a mod with some non-decorative katanas? It's unrealistic, but as long it doesn't end up in the vanilla game it doesn't matter, right? Everyone is free to play PZ the way he wants.

 

Oh, please make it a mod!

I would have to second that one.

 

Besides, don't tell me that there are no medieval culture buffs in the US - come on, somebody has got to organise all those medieval fairs (found several of them located in Kentucky with a rapid DDG (shameless plug here) search) and those somebodies are more than likely to have combat ready "stuff" lying about, even if homemade. Well, TBH, one can actually make a piece of chain mail at home without much hassle (though it does take a lot fo time)...

 

Mod shouldn't be too hard - adding a sword weapon is just editing the items.txt, but the animations would be a bit more tricky... Nevertheless, having my John Doe dressed only in warpaint and clutching a zweihander do a battle cry and charge the Bri... zombies ! would be fun. ^^

 

@Konrad: PZ-Alaska sounds fun (extreme conditions +1), though my dream is to have PZ-Moscow (but that would be an insanely large project) :(

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Would have this kind of weapon. Mace, sword, flail weapon, are found only in appropriate places. Museum shop, etc. broker.

Yes why not. I also suggested in another of my posts to find a suit of armor in a museum. But there will be only one or two across the map.

Lamenuit, i ask, how are you gonna find a full suit of armor + medieval weapons in an american town..?

 

 

Like he just described. In a museum, or in a household of a martial arts enthusiast. One house at random could be that guy who buys or makes his own medieval gear :)

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Would have this kind of weapon. Mace, sword, flail weapon, are found only in appropriate places. Museum shop, etc. broker.

Yes why not. I also suggested in another of my posts to find a suit of armor in a museum. But there will be only one or two across the map.

Lamenuit, i ask, how are you gonna find a full suit of armor + medieval weapons in an american town..?

 

 

Like he just described. In a museum, or in a household of a martial arts enthusiast. One house at random could be that guy who buys or makes his own medieval gear :)

 

 

I am not American so pardon my ignorance but suits of Armour are Medieval by nature and given how the USA is a few centuries old how many museums in America/KY specialise in such things with full sets?    

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Would have this kind of weapon. Mace, sword, flail weapon, are found only in appropriate places. Museum shop, etc. broker.

Yes why not. I also suggested in another of my posts to find a suit of armor in a museum. But there will be only one or two across the map.

Lamenuit, i ask, how are you gonna find a full suit of armor + medieval weapons in an american town..?

 

 

Like he just described. In a museum, or in a household of a martial arts enthusiast. One house at random could be that guy who buys or makes his own medieval gear :)

 

 

I am not American so pardon my ignorance but suits of Armour are Medieval by nature and given how the USA is a few centuries old how many museums in America/KY specialise in such things with full sets?

I think it would be unfair for people in MP.

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I am not American so pardon my ignorance but suits of Armour are Medieval by nature and given how the USA is a few centuries old how many museums in America/KY specialise in such things with full sets?    

 

 

I couldn't give you an exact count across the US without making up a number off the wall, but I am going to guess, hundreds. I've been in 8 of them across the States. Granted, USA does not have nearly even a fraction of those found in Europe, but the thing about America is that it has a lot of people with money who buy this stuff from Europe, or build their own.

As for KY specifically, not the slightest clue.

 

But an important point to be made is that you don't have to be a museum to specialize in crafting armour. All you need is historical book with designs, and a garage you can turn into a smithing workshop. These kinds of craftsmen are far and few in between, but the technology of making battle ready swords is NOT dead.

These are my favorite vendors of combat ready swords. Note where these vendors are located around the US.

http://www.albion-swords.com/

http://www.darkwoodarmory.com/

http://www.paulchenhanweiswords.com/medieval-swords.aspx

http://ensifer.carbonmade.com/

http://www.hroarr.com/regenyei-fechtschwert/

http://armor.com/

By the way, I know the idea is doomed already. I'm in this thread at this point to express my love for the never-gonna-happen fantasy :P

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I love medieval weaponry myself, but it just isn't common enough. I have a few swordsmith contacts myself ( http://www.sabersmith.com ) and you can meet them on rare occasions (renaissance festivals have many weapons vendors, and usually one or two that sell  actual combat ready weapons); thinking about the number of these people compared to the whole population, though, just puts it into perspective as far as the reality of the picture. In a town of 1,000 (and especially because small southern towns tend to be more "traditional" and as such host in general fewer of us sword-wielding-fantasy-loving-types) the probability just isn't on your side.

 

 

 

 

Would have this kind of weapon. Mace, sword, flail weapon, are found only in appropriate places. Museum shop, etc. broker.

Yes why not. I also suggested in another of my posts to find a suit of armor in a museum. But there will be only one or two across the map.

Lamenuit, i ask, how are you gonna find a full suit of armor + medieval weapons in an american town..?

 

 

Like he just described. In a museum, or in a household of a martial arts enthusiast. One house at random could be that guy who buys or makes his own medieval gear :)

 

 

There are only a few big museums in the U.S. that would be likely to have this kind of stuff (mostly in Washington, DC and a few other big cities). Towns of 1,000 typically don't have museums with large collections as that simply isn't monetarily viable.

 

You could also stumble upon "that guy" who makes the lasers that mount on 747's, but that doesn't mean it's realistic, probable, or worth adding to the game. 'It could happen' simply isn't good enough for a realistic survival game.

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I have one cheapo "Sword-shaped-object" my wife bought me as a gift.. It sorta clatters when you shake it so it stays on the wall where it belongs. It's the thought that counts right? (clyde)

 

The rest; a longsword, a rapier, a scimitar, 3 daggers of various sizes, and a scottish claymore, are all combat ready. I picked them up at the renaissance festival in Magnolia, Texas over the years. The narrow blade on the rapier fits through the gaps in my wire traps so I use it for quickly dispatching the nasty, rabies-infested varmints I catch occasionally. Quieter and cheaper than the .22! (sincere apologies to any PETA folks..) The scimitar and the longsword are great for clearing brush and trimming the hedges. The Scottish claymore is.. an amazing sword.. The absolute best $400 I've ever spent. A big sapling or branch the size of my forearm will just drop right off with a good whack! It's faster than starting up the chainsaw, good exercise, and a lot more fun too! It's also useful for dispatching rattlesnakes since it's longer than the shovel.

 

I know, swords are uncommon; no place in the game. I regrettably agree..

Still, it seems like everyone should at least have a hatchet+machete out in the shed right?

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While I'd love to have a sword, I understand it isn't very realistic. UNLESS, a history museum is added with suits of European armor and broadswords! :D

 

In all seriousness, machetes tho.

 

Edit: Just thought about this, with the inclusion of Fort Knox in the future CERTAIN swords are perfectly plausible. Officers in the US military are given sabers, granted they are mainly meant just for show of rank. However, they're all real and can be used in combat.

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Definitely more functional machete in Kentucky than there are functional swords.

More functional swords in Kentucky than Spiffos ?

 

Low spawn rate could fix the realism issue - who knows, maybe the mall had an antique store, which carried a sword or two that were 'confiscated' from Europe / Japan and handed down through a generation or two ?

 

Not sure if something like that would be possible, but it would be lovely to have a chance of encountering a *special* home once in a long while. Special, in this case being related to the owner's hobbies - medieval freak / psychotic killer out to snipe the president / diy buff / drug dealer / cultist / ringleader of some underground activities (Figt Club anyone ?). Not saying that this should manifest with enough stuff to outfit an army / equip a factory / get both of those stoned, but maybe some rare items or even "trophy items".

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A shop like that in the mall is just too out there. A museum would be perfect, but I can't see much more than that. Just look at the types of towns and houses on the map. These people were farmers and hunters, not antique collecting sniper assassins. Maybe with the future map expansions there will be a little more variety for stuff like that.


A shop like that in the mall is just too out there. A museum would be perfect, but I can't see much more than that. Just look at the types of towns and houses on the map. These people were farmers and hunters, not antique collecting sniper assassins. Maybe with the future map expansions there will be a little more variety for stuff like that.

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There are more swords in the world than machetes.

I can't tell you how hard it would be for me to accept that, what with the machete's popularity in China, the African continent, and sporting goods stores in the west.

 

 

Yeah, but think of all the chinese swords. Decorative or not, sharpened, it'll take a zombie head.

 

Well, look, if we're going to go in the interest of fairness . . . ceremonial military swords (in the US) do exist in reasonable abundance, even today, I'm sure. So there's some credence in wanting those type near a military base . . .

Yeees... yeeess!! Breathe hope into my fantasy!

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Even if you could find a sword in Kentucky, the chances of it breaking would be very high. There is a very high chance that any sword you would find would be just for show, and would break under battle conditions, thus becoming useless after only a few kills

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There are more swords in the world than machetes.

 

Sorry, I'm calling bullshit on that, too. Machetes are incredibly important survival tools used in almost every single country in the world that's less developed, and additionally used in more developed countries for light duty yard/farm work. That's just... an incredibly outlandish and unprovable claim.

 

Edited for clarity, forums ate my quote QQ

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A shop like that in the mall is just too out there. A museum would be perfect, but I can't see much more than that.

Agree with you on the museum part. The shop I've introduced as an explanation for a 0.05% spawn rate of swords that could be added, but at second glance, an antique shop could serve a number of purposes (grandfather clock in your safehouse ? Yes !).

 

With Fort Knox nearby, I'd wager that there was a significant soldier / military-oriented population as well and who knows how many were drafted for WW2.

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