Russia - Ukraine

[LeoIvanov]

German Media

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-tote-bei-kaempfen-in-slawjansk-bei-donezk-a-964157.html

Awakov Facebook page

https://m.facebook.com/arsen.avakov.1/posts/620052841418159?stream_ref=10

Today they say, east ukraine citizens fear a war. Next Weekend, there will be a civil election - now, 70% of the Ukraine ppl want to keep crimea.

(Sorry for sloppy text, i'm on my mobile)

 

Well, have you managed to watch a video of german politic Gregor Gisy (I hope I got his name right) talking on this matter? I posted the video a couple of replies above, I think on previous page. Since you're german I assume you don't need a proper translation of what he's saying.

 

 

Edit: The second one doesn't even have a reply function, they seem to be posting stuff and accusing people of stuff and not liking to have people argue with them in return. A woman claims she was being dragged into a crowd of "Russhists" (Рашисты - That's how pro-ukrainian people call Russians) for trying to film "poor wounded of Euromaidan". A single policeman bravely saved her life from evil russians. I've got two questions about it :

 

1. If she was "filming" euromaidan wounded, what stopped her from pressing "record" button and filming russians trying to drag her into crowd? That would've gathered so much attention and probably would've been a good sign that Russians are indeed bad guys here... But nothing of that matter, just pure words.

2. Why the fuck would you attack Berkut on maidan (police forces) When months later you're CRAVING for them to protect you from the increasing crimes? Maidans were BURNING those people alive, shooting and beating them up with chains while they were WEAPONLESS with only shields and small police batons? It was proven that Berkut WASN'T first to fire at opposition, it was third party snipers that killed BOTH opposition AND berkut. Double standarts? That's what I'd call this.

 

2. Another comment (QUOTE!) :

 

"Арсен Аваков, Будем ли мы как Захарченко и Ко.? Нет, если будем стрелять прицельно по тем кто с оружием, и минимально ранить тех, кеми прикрываются. Будет ли на нас смерть? Да. Но такова цена страны. Это ужасно и несправедливо? Несомненно. С массово зомбированными договориться нельзя. С ворами и коррупционерами договориться нельзя. С захватчиками договориться нельзя. Войска на границе? Да. Но как видим и войска не нужны для диверсантных групп. Пока они утверждают, что их представителей здесь нет - нужно зачищать. Нет лояльных милиционеров - везите с Запада войска. Менее опытных - на блокпосты по всем (!) дорогам и мелким. Все автобусы, все машины, все поезда с россии и регионов с уже волнениями - всех мужчин соотв. внешности садить в СИЗО, не ждать доказательств, судов. ЧС по областям. Остановите их в нескольких городах. Они будут думать вводить ли войска. Пока им и того что есть хватает.

Это все как рак. Хирургу некогда думать о смысле жизни и несправедливости вселенной. Глубинная правда на нашей стороне. Способы - да, формально такие же как у них будут. Да, каждая жизнь бесценна. Но жизнь террориста-смертника, который убьет десятки тысяч стоит этих тысяч?"

 

"Are we going to be like Zakharchenko and Co.? No, if we are going to shoot armed people, and minimally wound those, who they are holding as shields. Are we going to be killed? Yes. But that's the price of the country. Is this terrifying and uncalled for? Of course. You can't diplomatically talk with massively zombified people. While they're claiming that there is no armed men in here - we have to start cleaning. No loyal policemen? Get the squads from west. Those with less experience - on blockposts on every (!) small and big roads. All busses, cars, trains from Russia and regions with flashes of intervention - EVERY MAN WITH THE APPROPRIATE LOOK (read - every ethnical russian) to lock up in prison, do not wait for the proof or courts. Call Emergency in other regions. Stop it in other cities. They will think if they'll have to send troops. So far they have enough of what they already have. 

This is all like cancer. Surgeon doesn't have time to think about the reason of life and unfair way the universe is working. Inner truth is on our side. Way to deal with it - yeah, we're going to do the same as them. Yes, every life is priceless. But a life of terrorist who is going to kill thousands, is his life worth it?"

 

So what we're seeing in that reply is that they want to start killing people with Russian ethnicity (and lock them up in prisons with no proof) left and right, and justify it by calling them terrorists who want to grab their land. I remember a country that used to do that... Let me remember - Nazi Reich, 1939 - 1945...

[Cdr.Keen]

Gisy sums it up very good - we're similar in many points.

I like the part where he's talking about the lack of Knowledge of all. He blames all inclusive himself.

Too bad, i'm sure the elections will also be faked in many ways - but let us see what will happen.

[123Imirish]

Chernobyl children's project international, an Irish charity was due to make a trip to perform 30 heart transplants an kids this month in Eastern Ukraine. Cancelled for the third time this year due to the crisis. 30 kids might die because of shithead rebels and the Russian Government, as far as I'm concerned the rebels and Russian Government have just murdered innocent Ukrainian children, they deserve unspeakable things to happen to them. 

[lordixi]

123Imirish, you talk about this? Feel the difference: "Irish charity cancel a trip of hearts transplants" and "Pro-russian rebels stops cars with hearts transplants to prevent its moving into Kharkiv". Only in second case I would agree with you that childrens might die due to pro-russian rebels. But now - it's CCI's desision.

for Cdr.Keen

As our media reports, pro russian forces do not let them in.

Pro russian forces do not let to enter United Nation observers when Kiev invite them to Crimea. But when Crimea invite international observers to referendum - no one came.

Also covered russian speaking ppl shooted at reporters.

May be if they film Crimea border and military positions without permission. But i don't heard about even injured.

Today they say, east ukraine citizens fear a war.

No one need a war. Nor East Ukraine, nor Russia. Why Kiev don't let referendum about federalization? If people want to decide, why not give em this possibility? Of course, now Kiev speaks that they will let referendum, but no one believe em and fear em.

now, 70% of the Ukraine ppl want to keep crimea.

81% of crimea people wants to be in Russia (see results of referendum). about legality of referendum i sad above

if someone interested - fresh news from Russia-Ukraine an my thoughts:

Tanks goes to the city Sloviansk

http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1480270

The first battalion of the National Guard volunteers Self Maidana left to the front line - Paruby

http://112.ua/obshchestvo/pervyy-batalon-nacgvardii-iz-dobrovolcev-samooborony-maydana-otbyl-na-peredovuyu-parubiy-49499.html

Morning in the Donetsk region began anti-terrorist operation - Turchynov

http://112.ua/glavnye-novosti/utrom-v-doneckoy-oblasti-nachalas-antiterroristicheskaya-operaciya-turichnov-49504.html

What would you say if Yanukovich did the same in Kiev in November 2013 - Febrary 2014?

29.11.2013 The United States warned the Ukrainian about not using of force

13.04.2013 OSCE: East of Ukraine "must respect the state monopoly on the use of force"

in Russia we call it "double standarts"

unarmed people stopped ukrainian tank in city Rodninskoe

LADA NIVA is the best tank catcher! 

The United States sent the FBI, the Justice Ministry and the Finance Ministry in Kiev

http://ria.ru/world/20140415/1003923131.html#13975296372984&message=resize&relto=login&action=removeClass&value=registration

U.S. confirmed that the head of the CIA at the weekend was in Ukraine

http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/04/14/7022431/

All confirmed by U.S., but why no one speaks about U.S. interference?

From Sloviansk reports of an armed clash

http://www.interfax.ru/371576

It's bad. Nobody wants civil war. Why Kiev did not let referendum? But now it's no matter. Nobody in East Ukraine believe to Kiev.

updated: Find some messages in pro-russian forums: unidentified people in a car opened fire on Ukrainian forces and then went to the direction of pro-russian self-defence and... open fire there (!). About 25 died.

Protests in Kiev

http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/04/14/7022434/

Maidans made their choice in Febrary and must support present goverment. Don't understand why they protests?

Avakov: Head of police Gorlovki - a real officer - beaten, but alive

http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/04/14/7022432/

Bingo! And no even a word about why he was beaten! Yestarday i watch a Live Stream from Gorlovka. This officer push one pro-russian from the roof. That's why angry mob beated him. Live Stream - is the great thing!

Ukraine met Swiss President with Danish flag

http://news.rambler.ru/24601633/

And this guys wants to be in EU?

Citizens of Kranoarmeysk turn military truck back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3Y_2CRZkv0

Did you see this? Battle LADA NIVA again!

Pro-Ukrainian video: "Green men" joined to pro-russian rebels

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQjJ5rWzlSY#t=105

If green men are russian, how they crossed the border between Ukraine and Russia? Nor Ukrainian, nor Russian medias messages of breaking border. And there is no Russian military bases in this region like in Crimea.

p.s. Cdr.Keen, 123Imirish, mikaelkerensky. My media zombify me, your media zombify you. If we will exchange our media links and thoughts about them maybe we will get less zombifying

p.p.s. *.ua - is pro-Kiev media. Youtube - independent. All rest - pro-Russian.

[LeoIvanov]

Chernobyl children's project international, an Irish charity was due to make a trip to perform 30 heart transplants an kids this month in Eastern Ukraine. Cancelled for the third time this year due to the crisis. 30 kids might die because of shithead rebels and the Russian Government, as far as I'm concerned the rebels and Russian Government have just murdered innocent Ukrainian children, they deserve unspeakable things to happen to them. 

 

Let's not forget who has started this whole thing, if you want to look at the causes, better dig from the roots.

[123Imirish]

123Imirish, you talk about this? Feel the difference: "Irish charity cancel a trip of hearts transplants" and "Pro-russian rebels stops cars with hearts transplants to prevent its moving into Kharkiv". Only in second case I would agree with you that childrens might die due to pro-russian rebels. But now - it's CCI's desision.

for Cdr.Keen

 

As our media reports, pro russian forces do not let them in.

Pro russian forces do not let to enter United Nation observers when Kiev invite them to Crimea. But when Crimea invite international observers to referendum - no one came.

Also covered russian speaking ppl shooted at reporters.

May be if they film Crimea border and military positions without permission. But i don't heard about even injured.

Today they say, east ukraine citizens fear a war.

No one need a war. Nor East Ukraine, nor Russia. Why Kiev don't let referendum about federalization? If people want to decide, why not give em this possibility? Of course, now Kiev speaks that they will let referendum, but no one believe em and fear em.

now, 70% of the Ukraine ppl want to keep crimea.

81% of crimea people wants to be in Russia (see results of referendum). about legality of referendum i sad above

if someone interested - fresh news from Russia-Ukraine an my thoughts:

Tanks goes to the city Sloviansk

http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1480270

The first battalion of the National Guard volunteers Self Maidana left to the front line - Paruby

http://112.ua/obshchestvo/pervyy-batalon-nacgvardii-iz-dobrovolcev-samooborony-maydana-otbyl-na-peredovuyu-parubiy-49499.html

Morning in the Donetsk region began anti-terrorist operation - Turchynov

http://112.ua/glavnye-novosti/utrom-v-doneckoy-oblasti-nachalas-antiterroristicheskaya-operaciya-turichnov-49504.html

What would you say if Yanukovich did the same in Kiev in November 2013 - Febrary 2014?

29.11.2013 The United States warned the Ukrainian about not using of force

13.04.2013 OSCE: East of Ukraine "must respect the state monopoly on the use of force"

in Russia we call it "double standarts"

unarmed people stopped ukrainian tank in city Rodninskoe

LADA NIVA is the best tank catcher! 

The United States sent the FBI, the Justice Ministry and the Finance Ministry in Kiev

http://ria.ru/world/20140415/1003923131.html#13975296372984&message=resize&relto=login&action=removeClass&value=registration

U.S. confirmed that the head of the CIA at the weekend was in Ukraine

http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/04/14/7022431/

All confirmed by U.S., but why no one speaks about U.S. interference?

From Sloviansk reports of an armed clash

http://www.interfax.ru/371576

It's bad. Nobody wants civil war. Why Kiev did not let referendum? But now it's no matter. Nobody in East Ukraine believe to Kiev.

updated: Find some messages in pro-russian forums: unidentified people in a car opened fire on Ukrainian forces and then went to the direction of pro-russian self-defence and... open fire there (!). About 25 died.

Protests in Kiev

http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/04/14/7022434/

Maidans made their choice in Febrary and must support present goverment. Don't understand why they protests?

Avakov: Head of police Gorlovki - a real officer - beaten, but alive

http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/04/14/7022432/

Bingo! And no even a word about why he was beaten! Yestarday i watch a Live Stream from Gorlovka. This officer push one pro-russian from the roof. That's why angry mob beated him. Live Stream - is the great thing!

Ukraine met Swiss President with Danish flag

http://news.rambler.ru/24601633/

And this guys wants to be in EU?

Citizens of Kranoarmeysk turn military truck back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3Y_2CRZkv0

Did you see this? Battle LADA NIVA again!

p.s. Cdr.Keen, 123Imirish, mikaelkerensky. My media zombify me, your media zombify you. If we will exchange our media links and thoughts about them maybe we will get less zombifying

p.p.s. *.ua - is pro-Kiev media. Youtube - independent. All rest - pro-Russian.

 

No it's because the fucking hospital was taken over by rebels and it's dangerous to be on the streets

[123Imirish]

 

Chernobyl children's project international, an Irish charity was due to make a trip to perform 30 heart transplants an kids this month in Eastern Ukraine. Cancelled for the third time this year due to the crisis. 30 kids might die because of shithead rebels and the Russian Government, as far as I'm concerned the rebels and Russian Government have just murdered innocent Ukrainian children, they deserve unspeakable things to happen to them. 

 

Let's not forget who has started this whole thing, if you want to look at the causes, better dig from the roots.

 

Yeah the pro Russian Ukrainian `president`who didn't listen to what his people wanted and decided to do the total opposite, sparking chaos on both sides, eventually the pro European civilians calmed down when the president was forced to resign  by his own government for acting to much like a dictator. Then Russia forces started walking over the Crimea border. They escalated it and now eastern Ukraine is turning into a war zone. And I sincerely think this is the start of another cold war, or WWIII. The Russian media may have said dig deeper look who caused it, but they didn't tell you to dig deep enough. Plus that anchor on Russia Today was fired and threatened to be placed in Ukraine `to see the truth` because she said going into Ukraine wasn't a good idea. I love how Russia is so open.... with it's corruption. I with our government was like it. But when Russians get to see when their government does corrupt things 40% of them back Putin up.

[LeoIvanov]

 

 

Chernobyl children's project international, an Irish charity was due to make a trip to perform 30 heart transplants an kids this month in Eastern Ukraine. Cancelled for the third time this year due to the crisis. 30 kids might die because of shithead rebels and the Russian Government, as far as I'm concerned the rebels and Russian Government have just murdered innocent Ukrainian children, they deserve unspeakable things to happen to them. 

 

Let's not forget who has started this whole thing, if you want to look at the causes, better dig from the roots.

 

Yeah the pro Russian Ukrainian `president`who didn't listen to what his people wanted and decided to do the total opposite, sparking chaos on both sides, eventually the pro European civilians calmed down when the president was forced to resign  by his own government for acting to much like a dictator. Then Russia forces started walking over the Crimea border. They escalated it and now eastern Ukraine is turning into a war zone. And I sincerely think this is the start of another cold war, or WWIII. The Russian media may have said dig deeper look who caused it, but they didn't tell you to dig deep enough. Plus that anchor on Russia Today was fired and threatened to be placed in Ukraine `to see the truth` because she said going into Ukraine wasn't a good idea. I love how Russia is so open.... with it's corruption. I with our government was like it. But when Russians get to see when their government does corrupt things 40% of them back Putin up.

 

 

Sorry, but this is only half of the truth. First things first - the "pro Russian Ukrainian President" didn't want to sign agreement where Ukraine was supposed to become a part of European Union. On that ground another side of the government decided to forcefully overthrow Yanukovitch and sparked it up by claiming that Yanukovitch denies Ukrainians the "European dream". Then, without actually reading the agreement, people started coming out on the street and protesting, not realizing that by signing the agreement Ukraine will become complete economical slaves of EU. Seeing a good opportunity to destabilize the country close to Russia (like it's been doing for ages with other countries), United States decided to back up the coup d'etat by sending 5,000,000 dollars (officially). 4k citizens decided the faith of 45.6 MILLION people when they overthrown Yanukovitch. What is more funny is that Yanukovitch AGREED to sign the paper and get the elections earlier than usual. He completely reasoned with the opposition and only asked people to clear Maidan from people in return. What else did they want? By threatening him and his family and forcing him to flee the country, 4K CITIZENS OF MAIDAN set Ukraine in chaos and economical crisis, NOT Yanukovitch. (Even though I agree that he was a fucking scam and robbed Ukraine to it's brink)

 

Russia, for that time, has only increased it's military presence near Crimean bases (which it had absolutely all the rights to do). People over EU/US media made a big fuss out of it, as if Russia is invading Crimea (even when Crimea decided to do the referendum itself, after all western media had to make Russia as bad as possible)

 

Let me say it plain and simple - there are many things that I strongly disagree with at how Putin runs Russia's things, and with many I would senselessly argue that it's done wrong, but in this case, Russia is NOT the one that people should fear. It would be fucking DUMB for him to even attempt to invade countries with military force, and we ALL know that Putin is smarter than that.

[Kirrus]

KEEP IT CIVIL.

 

Everyone, keep it nice and lovely in here, or we'll start handing out suspensions. As always, accept that other people have beliefs and thoughts alien to your own, and that *you may be wrong*. That is to *everyone*, I'm not pointing fingers here.

[LeoIvanov]

KEEP IT CIVIL.

 

Everyone, keep it nice and lovely in here, or we'll start handing out suspensions. As always, accept that other people have beliefs and thoughts alien to your own, and that *you may be wrong*. That is to *everyone*, I'm not pointing fingers here.

 

Thanks. Didn't mean to make my reply sound as violent or aggressive. 

[123Imirish]

 we ALL know that Putin is smarter than that.

 

Putin has the brain of a hardcore Call of Duty fan, which is to say, none

[mikaelkerensky]

we ALL know that Putin is smarter than that.

Putin has the brain of a hardcore Call of Duty fan, which is to say, none

Completely disagree, he is a very intelligent person. He wouldn't be where he is if he weren't. And the methods he has used to acquire pieces of other countries are very well thought out and subtle. If he were stupid he wouldn't scare me so much. Hitler was stupid, made many tactical and strategic errors that we exploited to beat him. Putin won't make those kinds of mistakes.

[lordixi]

No it's because the fucking hospital was taken over by rebels

Can you post proof link on news message about this, please? Don't heard about something like it.

some news fro pro-russian (*.ru), pro-ukrainian (*.ua), youtube and my thought about it.

Ukrainean helicopters imitated attack on rebels and civils

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XEea460PFlo

U.S. does not rule out the possibility of supplying weapons Ukraine

http://censor.net.ua/news/281172/ssha_ne_isklyuchayut_vozmojnosti_postavok_orujiya_ukraine

The FBI will help Ukraine to return the stolen budget

http://gazeta.ua/ru/articles/life/_fbr-pomozhet-ukraine-vernut-ukradennye-byudzhetnye-sredstva/552714

And again - noninterference.

"Green Men" on KAMAZ in Ukraine do not enter - State Border Service

http://nbnews.com.ua/ru/news/118666/

So, Ukraine officially sad that there is no Russia intervention.

The financial help to Ukraine from EU will make about 11 billion euro

http://www.epravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/04/15/440895/

11 billion euro!!! Cool!!! But now...

The decision of the European Union to allocate to Ukraine €1 billion came into force

http://telegraf.com.ua/biznes/ekonomika/1232459-vstupilo-v-silu-reshenie-evrosoyuza-vyidelit-ukraine-e1-mlrd.html

...but only after IMF. Again promises and no real money.

The authorities of Ukraine have the right to resort to drastic measures for order maintenance in the territory, declared on Tuesday, April 15, the representative of the American White house Jay Carney

http://zn.ua/POLITICS/belyy-dom-rekomendoval-vlastyam-ukrainy-deystvovat-protiv-terroristov-reshitelno-143335_.html

Why he did not say the same in January-Febrary 2014? Double standarts again?

Two protesters were injured during the assault on the Ukrainian military airfield in Kramatorsk

http://ria.ru/world/20140415/1003942261.html

The situation at the airfield in Kramatorsk stabilized

http://ria.ru/world/20140415/1004054819.html#ixzz2yyn6ItvL

video from Kramatorsk near airfield

Only two injures. Civil people stoped shooting and blocked Ukrainean military at airfield.

The head of military investigation of the European Union, the admiral Georgy Alafuzoff declared that the Russian military in the east of Ukraine have no relation to a situation

http://yle.fi/uutiset/eun_tiedustelujohtaja_venaja_ei_ole_asemoitunut_sotilaallisesti_ukrainaan/7190544

This Finnish mass media sad.

Citizen kicked tanks from Krasnoarmeisk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd1MeVAJrmo#t=75

LADA NIVA stikes back!

In the Donetsk and Lugansk regions turned in Russian channels, despite the ban

http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/04/15/7022574/

Russian TV channels was off before 15.04.2014. Russian forces didn't cross the Ukrainian border (see news above). How Russia can do this protests? By mass telepathy?

Donezk separatist breaks the hand of the child!

http://fishki.net/upload/users/473818/201404/16/tn/48d1dc62b141252c3a4ac832959364b6.jpg

Kramatorsk separatists seized 6 APCs

http://www.ostro.org/general/politics/news/442712/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGW_wXRdDMY#t=62

Peacefully, polite, without any shoots!

updated: same in Slaviansk: Ukrainian military in Slaviansk raised the Russian flag. It looks like the Battle at Falkirk

updated: seems to be same in Artemovsk Civils blocked 7 APCs.

[Aricane]

A series of protests in eastern Ukraine does not start coincidential. It was orchestret and very well prepared. Just like on the maidan. The question is not wether someone is behind it or not. The question is who. Right now everyone seems to be pointing at Russia. Either way Putin wil risc coming out as weak. If he did not support the rebels, he did an awful job proving that. If he did - he did a even more awful hiding it. Right now he swears Russia has nothing to do with it. Oh my god.

 

The west are far, far better at lying than Russia - that is very obvious.

[CylonBookworm]

Can somebody change the tags on this post? "Ukraine Maiden Nazis lie" is a pretty bullshit tag, and should be removed.

[EnigmaGrey]

Can somebody change the tags on this post? "Ukraine Maiden Nazis lie" is a pretty bullshit tag, and should be removed.

Tweaked to be blameless.

[lordixi]

If someone disbelieve in legitimity of Yanukovich:

Constitution of Ukraine

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Ukraine,_2004

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Ukraine,_2010

Article 108

The President of Ukraine exercises his or her powers until the assumption of office by the newly-elected President of Ukraine.

The powers of the President of Ukraine terminate prior to the expiration of term in cases of:

1. resignation;

2. inability to exercise his or her powers for reasons of health;

3. removal from office by the procedure of impeachment;

4. death.

At present time there was no new-elections, no resignation, no procedure of impeachment. Yanukovich not dead and can exercise his powers. So Yanukovich is still legitimate president of Ukraine.

Some news fro pro-russian (*.ru), pro-ukrainian (*.ua), youtube and my thought about it.

12:20 Defense Ministry has not officially confirmed the capture of Ukrainian art

12:57 Defense Minister also did not confirm the transition to the side of the Ukrainian military occupiers

13:21 Ukrainian APCs under the Russian flag - it's special operation

...but...

16:06 Defense Ministry acknowledged that the separatists taked six APC

Ukrainian military gave weapons to the separatists in Kramatorsk

http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/04/16/7022729/

Three APCs get out from Kramatorsk threated with grenade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UP2NsCGyp-M

Found information that citizens chase them on four automobiles and ATVs. It's Mad Max!!!

Some later found that one of APCs cathed and blocked at Novoselovsk village. Two others are still chasing.

Some later again found video of chasing.

APC in Kramatorsk smash car which tried to block it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MqTnlEEj9TA

it would have been the other way around if it was LADA NIVA  

Flags of Donezk Republic rised at Novoazovsk and Krasnoarmeisk

http://ria.ru/world/20140416/1004194912.html

MIG tried to scare citizens and rebels at Kramatorsk

U.S. prepare new santions again Russia

http://www.interfax.ru/world/372122

Sanctions unite russians. Santions makes russian official people to keep money in Russia and not in the others country (less corruption). Sanctions makes russian people to do business and to develop science in Russia and not in the others country. Santions will make Russia more independent. That's why russian people waiting for this sanctions with love.

Turchinov signed a law on the financing of the Military Forces of Ukraine by charitable donations.

http://www.rbc.ua/rus/news/politics/turchinov-podpisal-zakon-o-finansirovanii-vsu-za-schet-blagotvoritelnyh-16042014203100

Again by SMS?

In Mariupol people in grey uniform assaults a military unit

http://www.0629.com.ua/news/517713

It's shoots there, injures and may be one dead. From pro-russian forum: in military unit was Right Sector. Assault failed.

Summary of yesterdays UN Security Council Meeting:

Word to U.S.: "Russia! Return Crimea!"

Word to EU: "Russia! Return Crimea!"

Word to Ukraine: "Russia! Return Crimea!"

Word to Russia: "No."

..bla-bla-bla..

Word to Russia: "Stop shooting residents of Eastern Ukraine and forcing of the civil war."

Word to U.S.: "No! You Stop shooting residents of Eastern Ukraine and forcing of the civil war!"

Word to EU: "Russia! Stop shooting residents of Eastern Ukraine and forcing of the civil war!"

Word to Ukraine: "Russia! Stop shooting residents of Eastern Ukraine and forcing of civil war!"

..bla-bla-bla..

The parties have not agreed.

Civil activists eliminated illegal checkpoint of "opponents of separatism" at the entrance to Kharkiv

http://rusvesna.su/news/1397682342

Ukraine received per day to 3.9 million cubic meters of gas from Europe

http://censor.net.ua/news/281483/lish_za_sutki_ukraina_poluchila_39_mln_kubometrov_gaza_iz_evropy

Good, if it's true. But no even a word about price for this gas. I would like to know it.

Britain - Russia: Stop interfering in the internal affairs of Ukraine. Take your troops away from its borders.

http://censor.net.ua/news/281463/britaniya_rf_prekratite_vmeshivatsya_vo_vnutrennie_dela_ukrainy_otvedite_svoi_voyiska_ot_ee_granits

Firstly, at present time it is an instability in Ukraine with anti-russian shade so Russia must have much troops near Ukraine border. Same did Poland and NATO in Baltic counties, for example. And secondly, Russia have a right to place its military forces anywhere inside its territory.

Turchinov: 25th separate airborne brigade will be disbanded for cowardice and surrender weapons

http://censor.net.ua/video_news/281489/25otdelnaya_brigada_vdv_budet_rasformirovana_za_trusost_i_sdachu_orujiya_turchinov_video

Hot news!

Putin for the first time admitted that "little green men" - his military

http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/04/17/7022770/

Confirm. I watch it in Live Stream. He sad (in russian):

12:35 Вопрос по СМС: Кем были "вежливые люди"?

Я не скрывал перед иностранными коллегами, что мы должны были обеспечить условия для свободного волеизъявления крымчан. Чтобы там не развивались события так, как сейчас на юго-востоке Украины. Чтобы там не было вооруженных формирований националистов. Все было сделано максимально корректно и профессионально. По-другому помочь людям выразить свободно свое мнение было просто невозможно. Там было свыше 20 000 военнослужащих, очень хорошо вооруженных и много техники. Нужно было оградить граждан от опасности

LeoIvanov, would you please translate it in english? Today I will not have time for it.

p.s. I will update news in this post until 17:00 GMT+6

p.p.s. Sorry for less news. This is because I "zombify" myself by todays Putin's Live Stream.

[Cdr.Keen]

Can somebody change the tags on this post? "Ukraine Maiden Nazis lie" is a pretty bullshit tag, and should be removed.

 

i did not set tags when i opend up the thread - some of the mods added them after.

[EnigmaGrey]

That's from  merging it with the conspiracy theory thread, I'd imagine.

[LeoIvanov]

Another german talking about the whole Russia/Ukraine deal without bias. (Couldn't find english translation for it.)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGSqw34baCw

[lordixi]

Results from Geneva in english. Signed by U.S., EU, Ukraine and Russia.

https://twitter.com/MID_RF/status/456840455519350784/photo/1

[uberevan]

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/17/report-jewish-residents-being-forced-to-register-by-pro-russian-militants-in-eastern-ukrainian-city/

 

Is this true?

[123Imirish]

Another german talking about the whole Russia/Ukraine deal without bias. (Couldn't find english translation for it.)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGSqw34baCw

just because he says he's saying it with no bias doesn't mean that there is no bias. That is like the no.1 thing with brainwashing  you get people who claim to have a non biased view and you brainwash the ordinary people

[EnigmaGrey]

Getting a little generic, don't you think?

Really doubt Leo meant that he was unbiased in every way conceivable; he meant that that reporter seems unbaised to him, partially because he's based in another country.

If you feel the guy is biased, by all means point it out. Just stating that people can be biased, and biased people can be brainwashed to the point that they personally feel they have no bias is . . . quite the mind fuck.

[mikaelkerensky]

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/17/report-jewish-residents-being-forced-to-register-by-pro-russian-militants-in-eastern-ukrainian-city/

Is this true?

Partially. There is evidence that a handful of men in balaclavas were hanfing out notices to that effect in front of a synagogue. However there is no evidence to tie them to either the russian or ukrainian government. Just evidence law and order are breaking down so crazy people can make threats with no worries about being punished.