close-quarters Close-quarters engagement with zombies + pistols: broken?

[Kauffy]

I couldn't find a prior thread on this, but this is something that feels supes broken.

 

In short, your character is super-useless at very-close range when holding a pistol-- they both miss shots impossibly (point-blank), and can't shove worth a damn.

 

Currently, the shove animation is a wide-armed sweep holding the pistol , but it takes so long that by the time you're reset, you're having to shove them again. It really is basically a frustrating stunlock. Sure, that would happen in real life-- but nobody would try to do a slow, sweeping pistol whip either.

 

What makes more sense would be that the shove animation be akin to the animation when you are empty-handed, and/or you can perform pistol executions at close range, regardless of skill.

 

Characters without Aiming skill seem to be very underpowered with just the basics of using a firearm-- I can understand accuracy fall-off, but there are shots that should be easy to make by anyone and-- maybe you don't know this-- but every American, particularly in Kentucky, and particularly in the 90's, is born with an innate ability to handle a gun somewhat.

 

A quicker shove makes pistols much more viable as survival instruments for non-combat characters. Right now, they can't hit anything at range with a pistol (makes sense), but they also can't do anything at super-close range.

[Axezombie]

I agree especially on the lack of accuracy in close range, a zombie is right in front of you and you miss all your shots.

I think you should be able to hit it at 100% but not a lethal hit if you suck at aiming, at least it would be less frustrating.

It reminds me of X-com.

[Kauffy]

Exactly this. It's especially odd because if I start the character with the Hunter trait and/or as a cop, they get 5 or 6 Aiming to start-- and that feels like "normal", but they're still vulnerable at close range with the pistol.

[Psiamp]

I don't use gun, at all, so I won't know but maybe the melee-gun-shove should based on short blunt skill?

 

I wonder if it is already depend on that.

 

Anyway, all shot should hit at close range, just it is more effective against humans than zombies.

[getstoopid]

Point-blank pistol should be deadly most of the time, if you are not jumped from behind of course. With zombie in front 90% chance to one-shot I'd find realistic... there may be some rare occasions where you can't get your gun up in time and shoot from a bad angle or get locked in the zombies ribs, armpits or whatever but mostly you will see it from enough distance to stick your gun in its face and boom.

[Irken Empire]

This is downplayed so much in PZ community that it's almost unreal.
Not long ago, but not that recently too you could shove zombies with a gun at 60% more speed (IDK if you could move during then, but shoving with a pistol was MUCH faster, it was almost as if you were playing with a human being that valued his life, but not anymore)
Lastly I hope this won't get downplayed on forums as is was anywhere else in PZ community.

[Papa Juliet Whiskey]

On 3/17/2022 at 7:37 AM, Axezombie said:

I agree especially on the lack of accuracy in close range, a zombie is right in front of you and you miss all your shots.

I think you should be able to hit it at 100% but not a lethal hit if you suck at aiming, at least it would be less frustrating.

It reminds me of X-com.

It could be 99% chance to kit, and you'll probably still miss, if I remember xcom correctly.