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AGN is Project Zomboids longest surviving Project Zomboid server with over three years of operation. This thread exists until one of the proper admins creates the proper thread. In the meantime the server is whitelist only.

Come join AGN, Project Zomboid's best Roleplaying server.

http://newdawn.aggressivegaming.org/

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2 hours ago, Bratwurst said:

You guys already have another thread, gotta have a duplicate  to get people to play on your server? 

As a heads up - I had to make an account just  to  post  how awful this server is. Rules  are  completely stupid.  Call it RP - I call it  admin micromanagement. 

 

Hi Bratwurst,

 

Firstly, I would like to address that Jack Bower doesn't know about the thread I made. None of the admin team actually knows it until I found out that they are talking about it in the shoutbox.

 

Secondly, I fully understand that we are unable to please everyone with the new rules in place currently. Admin do not control over the skills allocation. It is a feature to let player RP out the actions to gain additional skills rather than to grind them.

 

If you have any issues with the rules, our admin team is willing to hear you out and talk about it.

 

Your regards,

jianmingyong

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11 hours ago, jianmingyong said:

 

Hi Bratwurst,

 

Firstly, I would like to address that Jack Bower doesn't know about the thread I made. None of the admin team actually knows it until I found out that they are talking about it in the shoutbox.

 

Secondly, I fully understand that we are unable to please everyone with the new rules in place currently. Admin do not control over the skills allocation. It is a feature to let player RP out the actions to gain additional skills rather than to grind them.

 

If you have any issues with the rules, our admin team is willing to hear you out and talk about it.

 

Your regards,

jianmingyong

No - they clearly are not willing to talk  about it, when they delete conversations in less than 12 hours and lock conversations.
 

7 hours ago, Jack Bower said:

You are probably talking about previous lores before the admin team was reshuffled, if there is anything I should stand for on AGN it is freedom for players to do their own thing within reason without admins bothering them. I can safely say at this point, this server is at a good place admin wise. 


As for the double post, I didn't see the other thread so please delete this one mods.

And nope. I'm talking  about the  fact that a player made a post about  THIS lore, with VALID concerns, and  in less than 12 hours had it deleted  because admin didn't feel like  dealing with fixing  legitimate issues.  

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1 hour ago, Bratwurst said:

No - they clearly are not willing to talk  about it, when they delete conversations in less than 12 hours and lock conversations.
 

And nope. I'm talking  about the  fact that a player made a post about  THIS lore, with VALID concerns, and  in less than 12 hours had it deleted  because admin didn't feel like  dealing with fixing  legitimate issues.  

I think I have understand your feelings towards us. To be honest, you don't have to blame other admins for thread deletion as I am the one who deleted one of the thread about the concerns with our server. It wasn't fully intentional. My intentions was to keep both sides from fighting over each other changing the context of the purpose of the thread.

 

That particular thread isn't gone as I have hidden it from public.

 

well certainly it shows a bad image to our admins, I am sure it won't happen again as there's been discussion about how we handle threads from now on.

 

I am sorry for the grievance towards our admins and not knowing what happen to it.

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I have to second what Bratwurst said. I was the person that raised legitimate concerns as a new player on their server and my post was locked and deleted. Not visible. Whatever.

 

In my post the admins, mods and veteran players attacked and blamed me because I didn't ask for items before the new lore started. Apparently as a new player, I was supposed to know there would be hardly any loot at restart and have to search over half the map and still couldn't find a single saw. But somehow that's my fault. I should have asked an admin to just give it to me instead of complaining about the lack of loot and their stupid skills system.

 

They don't believe in a mechanical loot system. They rather have people stand around and circle jerk. Then admins give them stuff to stand around and circle jerk some more. That's their idea of "heavy RP" Despite what they say, this server is far from freedom of doing what you want. Avoid it since they don't take constructive criticism and just lock and delete posts..

 

Not all the players are bad. There were some veterans who understood what I was saying and suggested they update the rules. Until then, this is a terrible server for newbies. Avoid it.

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Recently went back to playing here. Lot easier to apply since the new admins came in, no lengthy applications for every character. New experience system seems odd at first, but makes sense in the long run as it prevents the long grind giving you more time to play.

 

Only thing is it can be quite quiet in my timezone (GMT), but that's no fault of their's.

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16 hours ago, jianmingyong said:

I think I have understand your feelings towards us. To be honest, you don't have to blame other admins for thread deletion as I am the one who deleted one of the thread about the concerns with our server. It wasn't fully intentional. My intentions was to keep both sides from fighting over each other changing the context of the purpose of the thread.

 

That particular thread isn't gone as I have hidden it from public.

 

well certainly it shows a bad image to our admins, I am sure it won't happen again as there's been discussion about how we handle threads from now on.

 

I am sorry for the grievance towards our admins and not knowing what happen to it.

PRIOR to it be "hidden" from view, admin and players  belittled a player for giving their valid  opinion of the server, and then rather  than  listen to other people's  opinions on what could possibly FIX  the solution the HEAD admin locked  the thread, and  then, you remove it. So play  the  whole, oh its was just a mistake, but it REALLY looks like your admin don't want any public  criticism, they don't want anyone to ruin the perfect image that everything is running smoothly.

So, if everything is running so  great, why did  the pvp rules have to  be changed again, just a week  after  your server opening  up? Players can't make heads or tails of your new  and "wonderful" combat system? Oh and only being able  to "train"  once every 8 hours  for one skill? ADMIN  MICROMANAGEMENT, If you are a player who VALUES being able to play the game while being able to RP and develop your character, THIS SERVER IS NOT FOR YOU.

 

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5 hours ago, Bratwurst said:

THIS SERVER IS NOT FOR YOU.

 

*Puts on moderator hat*

 

At the risk of stepping into something I don't know the context of: this is often the case with servers aiming to satisfy a specific niche. Your ideas on how to "fix" things that you felt were broken was no doubt appreciated by the New Dawn staff, but they're not required to address your issues, implement your ideas, or host your content. That might mean the server isn't for you, as a simple statement, rather than a loaded insult.

 

You've both made your objections clear and they've presented their position. It's time for all involved to let it go or take this back to the New Dawn forums.

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34 minutes ago, Butter Bot said:

*Puts on moderator hat*

 

At the risk of stepping into something I don't know the context of: this is often the case with servers aiming to satisfy a specific niche. Your ideas on how to "fix" things that you felt were broken was no doubt appreciated by the New Dawn staff, but they're not required to address your issues, implement your ideas, or host your content. That might mean the server isn't for you, as a simple statement, rather than a loaded insult.

 

You've both made your objections clear and they've presented their position. It's time for all involved to let it go or take this back to the New Dawn forums.

I appreciate your opinions as well. As a follow up, these  were actually someone else's issues, and I am just calling  them out on that fact so that players don't just hear that everything is all peachy over there  - because not everyone is drinking their Kool-Aid. But, as you wish,  I'll  stop.

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1 hour ago, Jack Bower said:

This topic is going to be deleted regardless because it was an accidental double post. Why don't you let the thread die instead of flaming or at least post in the correct topic. As for your massive walls of text lol. New Dawn goes through plenty of drama and admin teams cycle all the time. 

Why don't you leave the server posting to the actual  admins?

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Compilation of Reviews

Hello everyone! Posting straight on here is none other than AGN's SuicideKamaKize. With the support of many, I was encouraged strongly to make a honest review of the server, being a player on here for two years. I will not only just include my opinions and reviews of the server, but include many others whom have already stated or agreed with points I'll raise or make. Below are only a few of the many records I hold of their opinions of the server. 

 

Starting us off is Vcarrasola, a little bit about this guy, he's one of AGN's longest running players. He started off in Old Dawn before progressing to the New Dawn we know and love today. His review reads: 

 

 

 

 

Another player I'll include is my good friend Emios. He's French and has recently started in the server about two months ago. He credits the server for increasing his ability to conversate in English in the real world. His review is similar to Carrasola's, except it provides much more in depth detail about the workings of the server.

 

Spoiler

Hello everyone, as many of you know I play the characters of Jimmy Clark, Joe Sczepanski, Brian O'Neill, and Jerry Pumbleton. Through my time being here, I've found many experiences to be off-putting, which inevitably resulted in me leaving the server for good. I will not stand by and take the abuse like many other former players, but instead I will point out the flaws of this server. Hopefully, the admins will not delee this post and will only take note, and for the other players, enjoy the read. 

 

To recount events before this post, I was playing my bandit character, Joe. Due to his nefarious actions of being a bandit, this has made me a target of hate OOC which is unacceptable. The first OOC hate encounter was when I had caught a character named Joshua outside of Bartertown. I was not expecting the man to be around, as I had plans for the council event, but seeing he was unarmed and alone, I decided to rob the man. I started off by withdrawing my pistol and aiming at the man. During the situation, Joe had began to panic a bit, in which he fired at the man while he had his hands up. After one shot, the man immediately ran off, labeling the action as "cheating" despite the entire scene being legit. I had no intention of killing the man without having him RP his last moments, however he simply ran away and Joe was forced to take action. He chased after the man, and ended Joshua's life. He then proceeded to go into the shoutbox and call me out. This was a foreshadow of what was to come from engaging in PvP soon after.
 
After the man attempted to run away without any RP whatsoever, I had simply ignored the toxic actions he took and went on to Bartertown's wall where I took a molotov and launched it against the wall. I soon raised my pistol, and fired two shots into the air to attract a horde he had previously lured in the woods nearby, into the base. I had emoted the actions clearly in global chat, and it seemed to already have some sort of OOC backlash against me. I want to be clear with you guys, I enjoyed roleplaying these actions, playing a bandit. It seems many of you all don't, however I'll remind you now. This is part of the apocalypse roleplay, and when you do things such as announce your meeting times in the common frequency, it makes you vulnerable to people with grudges against your faction/group.
 
As common sense dictated, Joe had to escape. He ran through the southern woods directly, before taking off east. I went so far as to reach the corner of the map. I was so surprised I traveled so much distance, that I had went back west somewhat. Convinced no one had followed me through such a ridiculous amount of area, I decideded I was in the clear and logged off.
 
My troubles wouldn't stop here though. A friend of mine over steam PMed me, Mindgate had somehow found me and told him I had combat-logged. I'm a clean player, and I know for sure I'd never do anything like that. However, I did know Mindgate did have a personal grudge over me, and I was convinced he was simply trying to discredit me. I angrily logged back on to check the current status of the situation, only to find Mindgate's character aiming his gun at me.
 
His explanation? He had followed my tracks, but I argue with that due to the amount of distance Joe had covered, more importantly the amount of road Joe had covered during the trip. While I was discussing this with him, I was convinced he had simply TPed to my last known location, and when I bought it up to him, he simply feigned ignorance. Although we argued a bit, me telling him information while he kept spamming smiley faces through the chat, I simply went along and proceeded with the scene.
 
After being told MG simply didn't care for what I had said, we began fighting. I won't discuss the fight in massive detail, but we chose RP fighting, because the other ones suck. Here, Mindgate powergamed against me, using my slower typing skills against my character, not allowing me time to react properly. At one point, a zombie came and interrupted us OOC where he argued he used it at a meat shield. I had some mistakes during my RP I'll admit. However, I did NOT powergame at all, unlike most of the people on this server, which I'm not really denouncing many except Brandon and Summer. I was alright with the ending though, Joe died and William Kozuch was shot in the leg, who also then proceeded to bring Joe's body back to Bartertown somehow. The admins came and I simply was exhausted OOC, so I pretended to be alright with each of them. I apologized to them, even though I was not feeling it at all for sure. While this was a shitty event, this isn't the only reason why I'm leaving. There are A LOT of reasons why I'm leaving.
 
 
Combat Roleplaying & Powergaming
While my situation was surely not the only event that happened, it seems almost everyone here cannot get through any fight scene without any type of powergaming whatsoever. I have a theory, that being people become too attached to their characters. They spend so much time on this server that their characters sort of become their own lives. That's why people fight using so many OOC tactics and tricks, simply to keep them alive. Another example being, my character Jerry and Summer met up at the medical clinic to visit their mutual friend Matthew. Jerry knew Matthew for quite some time, being upset over his wounds. However, Summer came which only angered Jerry, who proceeded to withdraw his pistol and aim it at her, calling for her to leave. Without ANY roleplay whatsoever, she simply took out her pistol calmly and aimed it towards Jerry. She simply told him to drop the pistol and things like this are what make me mad. This is clearly powergaming. Another more well known example is between the fight of Brandon, and the most popular character according to you all, Billy. I don't need to explain what happened, as you all clearly saw what happened. This type of behavior makes me mad, players doing whatever means to keep their shitty characters alive, no matter the circumstance while defying the rules. This is a game set in the apocalypse, if you cannot handle your characters death at any time, you really shouldn't be playing.
 
ERP
Low and behold, the great fucking ' Erotic Roleplay ' . This fucking sucks, I can never relate to how many of you love this so much. This is a weird activity, as almost every single female character here is actually a dude, typing to you crude, gross lines of text. I remember the ' Lesbian Farm ' time, ya'll going into the woods to finger and fist yourselves. Another theory, people who do this a lot simply lack a social / love life in the real world and try to compensate it by playing their desires off into this server. Just a bunch of social waste.
 
Admin Corruption and Questionable Activites
Newdawn has an especially dark history, one that simply would be too long of a post if I went into immediate details. While many will call me out on this, being a serious offense, I am aware that Newdawn has taken activity in DDOS against the old public server to boost numbers in this private server. I have verified this with an old member, Heatdeath. Link to Convo Pic So yeah, the whole system is corrupt. Lesbians have ruled the server, although its calmed down this lore. Since they play for a long time, they've increased their OOC relations mainly through keeping the men horny including the admins. Now, the admins have a lot of power and can basically do whatever they want, there is no check on each other admin, since they're all butt buddies and the head admin checks logs less often then she truly says she does. The main perpetrator who has always been behind absolutely corrupt shit undoubtly seems to be Mindgate. While he may say he is open-minded, when it comes to things he cares about he'll simply become entrenched in his own view and that's where the trouble begins.
 
Tibby and I have argued with him on several occasions as to why he continues to keep Bartertown afloat. During this time, he is constantly on the offense, looking for any sort of flaws with the person themselves rather than the arguement in an attempt to discredit me. Similar to a dog attacking someone, I had misinterpreted one of his lines and he began riddling me with comments on how stupid I sounded, being passive-aggressive in an attempt to provoke me. He's an admin, and I do not find this type of behavior acceptable. I know you work a lot on your events and so, but please, as an admin learn how to control your feelings? Now, similar to the other admins, it's clear they are biased when you are talking with them.
 
The Community
To put it simple, some people have no lives. Which contributes to the problems I've listed above. I know roleplay is cool and all, but come on, chill your fucking tits. To add to that problem, I hate to say it but there are so many stupid people on this server. I'll even admit, I exploited this by adding many of them into my steam and building a sort of OOC underground. I could and did manipulate them to doing a few things simply by being friendly. Talk about metagame, especially when they're running their mouths on everything, especially to ANYONE. This doesn't matter to me anymore, because of all the hate they seem to have for bandits. This ties in with the previous points I made, being these fuckers don't want to lose their characters. It's just a game my fucking guy, calm down. And really? You're going to get mad or get back at someone because you lost someone, in an APOCALYPSE? Regarding the setting, you simply can't sit at your lesbian farm fisting each other, or sitting by and playing this wannabe hardass and not expect any dangers. Remember! It's the fucking apocalypse.
 
Shoutout to the top three that I have on my mind most when I'm thinking about this post. First up is Nitro. Please, no one cares about your OOC life that you constantly complain about, stop being a twelve year old child. It's so cringey I see you spam the chat OOC with smiley faces during every single encounter, and it sucks ass. It's also funny seeing you try to ERP with someone, but you can't find anyone because everyone knows you're dumber than them and they know you're a child. As the kids in the internet say, KYS.
 
Star
You're dumber than anyone I've ever met both IRL and online. You keep playing these cliche pretty girls who who fill your IRL lack of compassion and love in IRL. Also, grotesque you show your fat tits on your steam like some teenage girl.
 
Mindgate
 
Total dickhead, it seems the stories of what people told me from long ago still pertain to you today. Corrupt is the least I'll say. Fuck yourself.
 
 
While there are smarter players, it sucks the dumber ones rule it. Pity, I'd like to see it change but due to the fact dickheads manage this server it's just not going to change, and just like the many other good players that left, I'll join them.
 
I guess that's it, that's pretty much all I had to say, even if I might have forgotten some. I guess it will never heard a lot of and that people are prolly gonna to not give a shit, but I don't really give a damn myself to be honest. I had fun on this server, I really improved my english on it, but it's over now, I can't handle another load of bullshit. I may be the incarnation of cancer itself I don't know, just waiting for the ban right now so I can never have RP with such a dumb and corrupted community again. I don't give a damn about the feedbacks, nothing will make me change my mind until a long time.

 

Unfortunately, for some reason, these reviews weren't left for long on the New dawn forums website, so I took the liberty of saving those and personally spread it around for those to see. Needless to say, the two were great guys OOC and were capable of some good roleplay. Keep in mind however, they won't be alone. They'll be joining a lot of former, disgruntled AGN players in a number of games such as Neverwinter Nights, or spend their time in another community with each other. Truly the best roleplayers have left for greener grass. Luckily for me, I am now a part of this band of roleplayers. Shoutout to these former players, who all left or was banned for similar reasoning. [Jack Bauer] [Dylan] [FatherTimesGames] [Jesterphobia] [Pvt.Motherfucker] [Devon Roberts] [Killsoty] [Mr.Blue] [Zaak] [CandyBar] [PrincePaul87] [Emios] [Vcarrasola] [Stotch] [Pann] [Capture Point Crusader] - - These are the guys I currently still have on my friendslist / / remember due to their excellent roleplay and OOC behavior. All driven away for the same reason. Let us remember them with our old theme, the Emotional Titanic Flute Song.

 

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Now that the memes, shoutouts, and other trivial shit is done with, lets get moving to the actual review made by me. 

 

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I've no intentions of boasting, but for the sake of giving this review credit I must reveal a little bit about myself and the time I've spent here. Prior to NewDawn, I had been roleplaying for four years on multiple different communities and games. I came and spent two years before the inevitable death of Kamakize.  During the two years here, I've spent time in four different lores, and each and every time I can tell you right now. It's very repetitive in a sense. The server is presented the same problems each and every time, but they do not provide any concrete solutions to these problems. So many good players have fled because of this, and after tonight marked a breaking point for me. 

 

With all of these problems AGN is presented with, where do they come from? My main theory is from two things. The two being:

 

Playing To Win

When you are roleplaying, "winning" should not be a goal in your mind, but rather telling a story from the point of your characters. Players playing to win want the best for their characters, being that one (not) badass tough guy spouting out cool one liners, or that one guy all the (IRL MEN) ladies pine after. This itself isn't a problem, but this is where everyone done fucked up at. If at any point something doesn't go their way, they will try a number of slimy things OOC to attempt to get themselves out of a predicament which could potentially have them lose or shame their characters. This is a very broad statement that covers a number of things I will try to discuss in full details later on. 

 

Out of Character Cliques & Rivalries

The destruction of roleplay itself, OOC cliques includes activities of holding & acting upon grudges because of one friend, meta gaming (sharing IC information OOC and acting upon it) and of course the subject I'll cover later admin corruption. These groups only do things to further their own gain and to keep their enemies down. Unfortunately for the server, when one group fills in EVERY admin slot on the server, that's when shit starts to go downhill.

 

With a basic idea of what the main roots are to many problems facing AGN, I will now discuss the problems branching off from it.

 

Combat Roleplay

Combat before and during the "Gunderson Lore" mainly took place in the form of mechanical fighting. The rules were simple, you did a countdown before you went ape shit crazy on each other, and KOS was only allowed if the two parties had some form of roleplay before hand. This was a very effective way of executing battle scenes in my opinion, there was no hold ups or any mass confusion during any fight scene with however matter of players. The system is part of the game, which means its concrete and cannot really be cheated on like text / roll fighting. It does have its flaws, one being the target automatically chosen is the one closest towards you. You may roleplay a character being decent with aim but mechanically can't hit shit. [I suggested having each players aim raised to lvl 3 because it's the apocalypse and I'm sure somewhere during road they've learned or handled one. As for players roleplaying things such as soldiers, have them raise it higher. For the guys like me who you hate for having high stats? Set a ca - - 

 

 

Eventually after this lore mechanical fighting was taken away all together and that's when things went downhill quickly. Everyone quickly scrammed to become the world's greatest hand to hand fighter, as well as be the perfect shooter in all of Kentucky. Players would attempt to dictate where the shot would land at, both for other players and themselves. Despite accepting grievous injuries that would hinder basic movement, if not all movement, players would find themselves pulling off super human actions. Almost every person I've combat fought over this server had power gamed to a great extent leaving behind a mess of roleplay. I cannot stress how tired I was of seeing ten+ bullets graze a person at point blank range. I cannot handle seeing a man being beaten near death, only to somehow escape by running into the nearby forest because mechanically they could sprint away. People pick and choose what they like, which includes being able to mechanically sprint away while at the same time be offered protection from any incoming mechanical fire that may result in doing so. You shouldn't be able to choose where a bullet lands or barely misses, a system should do that for you. Admin intervention is necessary, but when the admins themselves barely know what would happen in a situation like that so many of these things go unnoticed. Not to mention how you'd get away with things if you're friends with them.

 

*Cartwheels away from bullets* *Drags large HAM radio after being starved and just given birth to child* *Shotgun blast close-range grazes leg, allowing him to run away*

 

While this is a roleplay server and while it is ideal for things such as combat to go through proper roleplay, the community itself cannot handle such a thing. The mindset of the majority is fucked up and no one will punish them for this behavior. While we're on the issue of combat, I'd like to address "pistol spamming." I'm in no way claiming to be a military expert whatsoever, but if you think a man sits still during a gunfight and carefully fires off one round at a time because he's some super soldier, you're sorely mistaken. Now, this is roleplay and I honestly don't care if your guy does that or not, but when you begin to harass the players who's characters fight a different way by "pistol spamming" that's when I get salty. If you've done a bit of research, learn the definition of fear roleplay, you'd know exactly how many rounds a normal person would go through in a gunfight. Even if this an apocalypse where supplies are low -NewDawn never replicates the starving environment.- the last thing on that guy's mind is whether or not he'll have more for later. That's my take on things here. 

 

Another thought to think about is whether or not mechanical death has any meaning. Let me tell you, if your characters death didn't mean shit over mechanical fighting, it certainly won't mean anymore over text fighting. A lot of the people here like to romanticize things, including the death of their own characters which is stupid. The chances of you smiling after being shot a shit load of times and cracking some shitty one liner is so low. Realistically your guy would be crying, shitting their pants, etc, but since this is NewDawn and everyone wants to be that badass with the greatest heroic death, it never happens. Moments before your death, my character cannot see or hear some third world narration on your characters demise as well. It breaks the rule where you can't emote your own character's thoughts or feelings.

 

While this isn't related to combat, we should go over properly emoting things as well. Elitists, and some admins love emoting obnoxious thoughts OOC attacking the player/characters. It's so fucking sickening, I don't need to see three paragraphs on why your character is having fish tonight and why he hates another character. Just emote your actions like a basic human being and roleplay any visible signs of agitation or anger, thanks.

 

NEXT TOPIC

 

ERP

 

Anytime the word lesbian is thrown in any PZ chat wherever, the first thought that comes to mind is NewDawn. Now, in recent times ERPing and lesbians running out into the woods hasn't been an issue. It's a thing of the past really, but there's still ERPing or RP that cater towards that way. In my opinion, I'm actually indifferent towards this. If you're so immature or young that you can't see that type of shit, the fuck are you doing here in the first place? It's an apocalypse where fucked up shit happens like rape. Then there's the fact we murder and manipulate each other which isn't very child friendly. No, ERP itself isn't the fucking issue. It's isolation RP.

 

When I originally joined NewDawn, it seemed there was a large female character population that all surprisingly were homosexual. This didn't bother me at all, but the fact they all ran off together somewhere in the middle of the woods and didn't roleplay with anyone else, including new players pissed me off. Part of the reason why I did an entire lore of banditry was to rectify this. Drive them out of the woods, have them do some sort of conflict roleplay which would include other players. Simple right? Not so due to the fact they'd fight me not IC which would be good, but OOC. While there are so many details regarding this part of the post, it'd simply be enough to say, if the legendary bandit Edmund Gunderson didn't exist, the current lore would probably be similar to the ones in the past. Lesbians ERPing and a bunch of elitists talking shit around the campfire. 

This ties in with us today, many of these players who had *ahem* ERPed or spent time together in these isolation camps have formed cliques. I don't need to name specifics, if you spent five minutes in NewDawn you'd know EXACTLY which players I'm talking about, because almost everyone else who isn't stupid and hasn't left has the same opinions such as me.

 

Corruption

This is actually pretty common in A LOT of roleplay servers today, AGN is no exception. We've had promises to clean house, and we did for brief times, however the admins that got kicked to the curb always came crawling back. Probably because of the lack of willing players, that's probably why the owner let them come back despite being exposed with evidence of their ill-wills toward players and activities. While I no longer have the screenshots, these guys are some of the nastiest elitists I've ever encountered. I've had several friends in the admin team working alongside them, and every day, they'd post some players information in the admin chat and would proceed to literally shit on them non-stop. If you didn't conform to their shitty roleplay standards it was basically over for you. They have abused item spawning, character resurrections and even turned a blind eye to cheating. (Item spawning, and skill boosting.) This all sounds relatively absurd, but when you pretend to be some fuckers friend and pretend you don't believe them, believe me, they'll start shelling out screenshots of their stats and items. I've witnessed admins follow characters during PVP initiations and hand out directions to their friends so that they may get the kill IC. I have seen admins even combat log and have their friends cry ignorance when the time came. (He was caught because we actually had one legit admin during this time.) Multiple players including myself brought this up with the owner, and he did nothing. There's so many stories I have there's simply not enough time and interest to go into details into each.

 

It was pretty much over for me since the beginning anyways, since I had aligned with a certain Jack Bauer and played multiple bandits with him. By ripping the virtual girlfriend off certain admins, they began their hatred of us and thus began their long line of corruption. They even began harassing us in whatever way they could, spawning zombies in near our base, etc. It even evolved to one point of them finding Jack's facebook and trying to "strike" him. [Funny actually coming from a squeaker, a gender-confused boy/girl, and their feminist friends LOL.]

 

Death of Kama

Because I'm a guy who likes realism and believes death is a good part of roleplay, especially in an apocalypse server (fuck me), I got handed the meat repeatedly multiple times and I've managed to put up with it. I originally planned to quit during my second lore but because of a friend I stayed, and I was planning to make this lore (4th) my final by the end of it all, but it looks like that ended for me prematurely which doesn't bother me at all really. I knew I was going to get some shit from the admins (especially when the new head admin is the actual GF of the lesbian girl IG of whom I've roleplayed killing their girlfriends and burning their farm). During another confusing gunfight, players began shooting at me with shotguns with their low rate of fire, firing at least six shells before I reacted and fired five shots back at them. Instant ban hammer, and who was going to stop it? Anyone from the admin team who's all besties? Nope. The owner? Nah that dude's out. So just like any death should be, I said two beautiful lines before passing.

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((cya

 

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Final Verdict

This server suffers from so many problems and the staff and players alike are not willing to change this. They're happy with what they have which simply isn't good enough for me. I loved this server to the point it kept me tied down to PZ for over two years. If you've kept up with my rambling through this post, I ENCOURAGE you to join this server. Just like every single roleplay server in existence, it has its flaws. The players are immature dumb asses, the admins are weird and judgmental, and so 7/10 times your role play is going to end with you arguing with some kid on who's characters dick's bigger. However, you're going to meet some pretty cool guys as a result of this, and as my dude told me, the small parts of the server that you laugh and enjoy about is enough to offset the rest of the bullshit. It's my end on this server and probably the PZ game. NewDawn kept me tied up for about two years, so I'm gonna lace them up with a 6/10. Shoutout to the guys who made this a good experience.

 

peaceeee ~kama

 

 

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Thank you to all of you who participated in Suicide's post. VCarrasola, and the legendary Emios. You said what had to be said, and to be honest I really feel like this is about as honest of a review you can get about this server. Like every server it has it's problems, but I will always still recommend people at least give it a shot. Who knows, you might not have the same problems we all did (You probably will).

 

~Best of Luck~

 

Your friendly neighborhood Jacey.

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I really hope people won't remain blind and silent concerning these serious problems. The server's name is itself quite ironic, due to the server's dark past.

Regarding all the insults I uttered against a couple of people, well I admit I went a bit too far. That's probably why ND people consider me as a bully or a troll now. But I'm not, I'm just a totally normal guy IRL who likes RP interaction and who doesn't tolerate such behaviors on a RP server. However there are limits to not cross, and these have been crossed by the server (including its community and its staff). But I'm not gonna talk about it in further detail, I guess you already red my friend's post above.

 

Really hope things will change.

 

~Emios~

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It's sad to see that most of the issues I tried to talk to the admins with during a stint as an admin on the server still apply. The below is a post I made privately to the other admins during this time.

 

Spoiler

 

Okay. So rather than complaining about the issues and salt specifically I'm going to addressed some of the issues raised and explain where people are coming from, because the only way this is all going to get sorted is.

 

Firstly, players claiming favouritism

This issue has been made worse by what has been said by admins and by players. Fact is that this probably began when Alstrum fucked up and told players to head North East (In the direction of the mill), and then used the god gun which drew all the zombies from the map to basically curb stomp the compound. This is not OOC bleeding as you used your character to say they should move and then did something which completely fucked them over (Also didn't take into account not many of them being online). They saw this as an ADMIN doing something against them.

That coupled with all the OOC shit about how they were stupid for building there along with players saying they should move to the mill and you get people who feel oppressed and pissed. Alstrum never apologised for using the way too powerful god gun to draw zombies to their base. Pann had to log on to sort that shit out.

 

Note. The god gun should never be used to draw zombies as it does so in a completely uncontrollable manor. Normal gun shouldn't be used to directly draw either as it can lead to the same problems. Use q and let the players do the rest. It's more controllable and when some idiot shoots it isn't our fault it goes to hell.

 

Anyway that happened and then several other cock ups happened and people saw nothing really happen to the Mill. This helped them to think that there was favouritism since the admins involved stayed at the Mill.

Then there are other smaller things. People being told they wouldn't be able to go on the barge. Emmett surviving a series of amazing events which should have left him dead in all honesty. (Battered to fuck before going on the barge, practically blowing himself and at the very least having a messed up sense of balance and shit before jumping into the river and managing to swim to shore while surrounded by zombies, while miraculously not dying, then falling into a coma only to wake up after the mill gets fucked up by zombies. Remember they see you as an admin before a player. You also cocked up by posting his obituary and then getting rid off it)

Then there are things like what happened with some people having info about this horde and others not having the chance to without going out of their way to see the group at the fort.

MG told BattleBunny they'd find out the same as his “group of friends” but that fact is they didn't. If they weren't around for the event, and didn't go to see that group (which is possible for new players who play more nomadic loner characters)then they'd have no way to know.

This looks like favoritism.

I can see MG listening to what I have to say on the matter but to be blunt Alstrum just gives me shit, implies I'm being stupid and flings shit back making us all look like a bunch of cunts. You just claim OOC bleeding instead of addressing the issue.

 

Secondly, the shit flinging

I'm going to be honest here and say that the issue hasn't been helped by some of the comments made. While some of them are just shit heads looking for a rise, some are people who are genuinely frustrated and would like to come back.

Comments like this

Alstrum said:

The salt!!!! IT BURNSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Ah yeah the best way to deal with your angry players it to just scream about how salty they are when they're legitimately getting fucked with and rightfully pissed about it.

 

You're such a phenomenal admin Alstrum.

Just add fire and make you look like a twat. Should have just asked him to get in contact with an admin from the off. You are a damn Admin and responsible for not making the rest of the team look like a bunch of tossers. Rise above the salty bullshit. It also doesn't matter if the event was a while ago since it was never addressed by Alstrum so they won't forgive him. As seen in

 

 

player of games said:

it happened ages ago stop getting so defensive

It happened a month ago and 3 separate times yet the same admins are back and they've gotten fuckall repercussions for it. Hell Alstrum couldn't even fess up that he fucked up even with Pann on his ass about it. I at least had some respect for MG and Leo for owning up and giving us an apology. It seems Alstrum learned fuck-all from it and he's still being his same old self. Until something actually fucking changes expect me to bitch about it.

If the issue had just been addressed rather than brushed off as OOC bleeding then this wouldn't be happening. None of it would, except for a few arseholes who just like to fling shite.

Basically rise above it and address the issue , and most importantly don't fling shit back .

 

 

Thirdly Respect

RESPECT IS NOT A RIGHT.

I'll repeat that

RESPECT IS NOT A RIGHT.

Demanding respect is the quickest way to lose it. So is shit flinging back or not trying to understand people. I'll be honest here and say I don't respect Alstrum all that much. He's rude and treats me like I'm stupid. Why the hell should I respect him?

What you want people to be is conscientious and decent but you’re confusing that with them having to agree with you because you're an admin. Respect something people have when they think someone won't fuck them over and will do the right thing. Basically think about politicians. I don't respect all of them. I think some are a right bunch of dicks.

If you want people to act respectfully act respectfully yourself and if they can't, ignore them. And if they aren't being respectful then there is probably some issue that needs to be addressed somewhere.

Admin shit

Honestly if someone complains about people raising issues and giving shit because some people are not able to be around for events (Last night when I was talking I was in bed on my phone. I couldn't join without waking my whole family) and then saying we can't raise issues because of it then you'll lose any and all help I'm willing to provide. And you will have proved the shit flingers right. I and many players live in time-zones where we can't take part without fucking over our lives. It is not fair to give us shit because of that. And I have personally responded and helped out with making the events consistent, and pointing out flaws so the players don't see them. That's what we're supposed to do so we don't have later problem, like perceived favouritism or being accused of trying to fuck over everyone excreta.

 

 

These are all very real problems I see and have been trying to address, by speaking with both people in the admin team and players. I have also been trying to read between the lines of the shit flingers comments and actually learn something from it. As that is what life is. Learning from mistakes and trying to do better.

 

The words of it may seem mincing as I was trying to get the point across and being blunt and direct about it just caused them to close up or dismiss the issues as it just being trolls,. This  is what has sadly been done this time too, apparently.

I ended up leaving because I had enough of trying to talk with people who take someone trying to use critical thinking to make things better, as personally attacking them. That and the endless arguments and the many issues stated above by Leanmelon above.

 

I'd also like to add that ERP is a major issue this server and has been for some time. Due to is the very real possibility of what may essentially be paedophilia, due to adults soliciting cyber sex with people who could potentially be minors, because everyone knows it's not just adults who play these types of games. So sort this type of shit out before someone ends up going to prison for it. There's a reason I hate this shit in an RP game, or any game. Get it off your server.

 

As to the rest Leanmelon makes all the points I would like to about the issues with this server, and has done so in a way which can't be pushed aside as them simply being a troll. Thank you.

 

Finally for those who have enjoyed or enjoyed the server I hope someone can sort out these glaring issues as RP in Project Zomboid has been some of the most fun I've ever had, and I have New Dawn to thank for that. It's just sad that it's been taking over by admins who are known to abuse their powers for their own benefit and aren't willing to see what they're doing.

 

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What a delightful thread to pass the time reading whilst my apple blueberry tarts bake.

 

I once thought I wanted to play with other people, even RP maybe. ND was the clear choice.  But after writing up a great character, falling in love with the idea and then signing up on the website I was discouraged by the huge amount of (to me) arbitrary rules and that the lore was different from the SP game. I really like the lore of the game as it stands, so I didn't join. Boy howdy, am I glad. I would have had a terrible time, it sounds like.

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Compilation of Reviews

Hello everyone! Posting straight on here is none other than AGN's SuicideKamaKize. With the support of many, I was encouraged strongly to make a honest review of the server, being a player on here for two years. I will not only just include my opinions and reviews of the server, but include many others whom have already stated or agreed with points I'll raise or make. Below are only a few of the many records I hold of their opinions of the server. 

 

Starting us off is Vcarrasola, a little bit about this guy, he's one of AGN's longest running players. He started off in Old Dawn before progressing to the New Dawn we know and love today. His review reads: 

 

 

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Another player I'll include is my good friend Emios. He's French and has recently started in the server about two months ago. He credits the server for increasing his ability to conversate in English in the real world. His review is similar to Carrasola's, except it provides much more in depth detail about the workings of the server.

 

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Hello everyone, as many of you know I play the characters of Jimmy Clark, Joe Sczepanski, Brian O'Neill, and Jerry Pumbleton. Through my time being here, I've found many experiences to be off-putting, which inevitably resulted in me leaving the server for good. I will not stand by and take the abuse like many other former players, but instead I will point out the flaws of this server. Hopefully, the admins will not delee this post and will only take note, and for the other players, enjoy the read. 

 

To recount events before this post, I was playing my bandit character, Joe. Due to his nefarious actions of being a bandit, this has made me a target of hate OOC which is unacceptable. The first OOC hate encounter was when I had caught a character named Joshua outside of Bartertown. I was not expecting the man to be around, as I had plans for the council event, but seeing he was unarmed and alone, I decided to rob the man. I started off by withdrawing my pistol and aiming at the man. During the situation, Joe had began to panic a bit, in which he fired at the man while he had his hands up. After one shot, the man immediately ran off, labeling the action as "cheating" despite the entire scene being legit. I had no intention of killing the man without having him RP his last moments, however he simply ran away and Joe was forced to take action. He chased after the man, and ended Joshua's life. He then proceeded to go into the shoutbox and call me out. This was a foreshadow of what was to come from engaging in PvP soon after.
 
After the man attempted to run away without any RP whatsoever, I had simply ignored the toxic actions he took and went on to Bartertown's wall where I took a molotov and launched it against the wall. I soon raised my pistol, and fired two shots into the air to attract a horde he had previously lured in the woods nearby, into the base. I had emoted the actions clearly in global chat, and it seemed to already have some sort of OOC backlash against me. I want to be clear with you guys, I enjoyed roleplaying these actions, playing a bandit. It seems many of you all don't, however I'll remind you now. This is part of the apocalypse roleplay, and when you do things such as announce your meeting times in the common frequency, it makes you vulnerable to people with grudges against your faction/group.
 
As common sense dictated, Joe had to escape. He ran through the southern woods directly, before taking off east. I went so far as to reach the corner of the map. I was so surprised I traveled so much distance, that I had went back west somewhat. Convinced no one had followed me through such a ridiculous amount of area, I decideded I was in the clear and logged off.
 
My troubles wouldn't stop here though. A friend of mine over steam PMed me, Mindgate had somehow found me and told him I had combat-logged. I'm a clean player, and I know for sure I'd never do anything like that. However, I did know Mindgate did have a personal grudge over me, and I was convinced he was simply trying to discredit me. I angrily logged back on to check the current status of the situation, only to find Mindgate's character aiming his gun at me.
 
His explanation? He had followed my tracks, but I argue with that due to the amount of distance Joe had covered, more importantly the amount of road Joe had covered during the trip. While I was discussing this with him, I was convinced he had simply TPed to my last known location, and when I bought it up to him, he simply feigned ignorance. Although we argued a bit, me telling him information while he kept spamming smiley faces through the chat, I simply went along and proceeded with the scene.
 
After being told MG simply didn't care for what I had said, we began fighting. I won't discuss the fight in massive detail, but we chose RP fighting, because the other ones suck. Here, Mindgate powergamed against me, using my slower typing skills against my character, not allowing me time to react properly. At one point, a zombie came and interrupted us OOC where he argued he used it at a meat shield. I had some mistakes during my RP I'll admit. However, I did NOT powergame at all, unlike most of the people on this server, which I'm not really denouncing many except Brandon and Summer. I was alright with the ending though, Joe died and William Kozuch was shot in the leg, who also then proceeded to bring Joe's body back to Bartertown somehow. The admins came and I simply was exhausted OOC, so I pretended to be alright with each of them. I apologized to them, even though I was not feeling it at all for sure. While this was a shitty event, this isn't the only reason why I'm leaving. There are A LOT of reasons why I'm leaving.
 
 
Combat Roleplaying & Powergaming
While my situation was surely not the only event that happened, it seems almost everyone here cannot get through any fight scene without any type of powergaming whatsoever. I have a theory, that being people become too attached to their characters. They spend so much time on this server that their characters sort of become their own lives. That's why people fight using so many OOC tactics and tricks, simply to keep them alive. Another example being, my character Jerry and Summer met up at the medical clinic to visit their mutual friend Matthew. Jerry knew Matthew for quite some time, being upset over his wounds. However, Summer came which only angered Jerry, who proceeded to withdraw his pistol and aim it at her, calling for her to leave. Without ANY roleplay whatsoever, she simply took out her pistol calmly and aimed it towards Jerry. She simply told him to drop the pistol and things like this are what make me mad. This is clearly powergaming. Another more well known example is between the fight of Brandon, and the most popular character according to you all, Billy. I don't need to explain what happened, as you all clearly saw what happened. This type of behavior makes me mad, players doing whatever means to keep their shitty characters alive, no matter the circumstance while defying the rules. This is a game set in the apocalypse, if you cannot handle your characters death at any time, you really shouldn't be playing.
 
ERP
Low and behold, the great fucking ' Erotic Roleplay ' . This fucking sucks, I can never relate to how many of you love this so much. This is a weird activity, as almost every single female character here is actually a dude, typing to you crude, gross lines of text. I remember the ' Lesbian Farm ' time, ya'll going into the woods to finger and fist yourselves. Another theory, people who do this a lot simply lack a social / love life in the real world and try to compensate it by playing their desires off into this server. Just a bunch of social waste.
 
Admin Corruption and Questionable Activites
Newdawn has an especially dark history, one that simply would be too long of a post if I went into immediate details. While many will call me out on this, being a serious offense, I am aware that Newdawn has taken activity in DDOS against the old public server to boost numbers in this private server. I have verified this with an old member, Heatdeath. Link to Convo Pic So yeah, the whole system is corrupt. Lesbians have ruled the server, although its calmed down this lore. Since they play for a long time, they've increased their OOC relations mainly through keeping the men horny including the admins. Now, the admins have a lot of power and can basically do whatever they want, there is no check on each other admin, since they're all butt buddies and the head admin checks logs less often then she truly says she does. The main perpetrator who has always been behind absolutely corrupt shit undoubtly seems to be Mindgate. While he may say he is open-minded, when it comes to things he cares about he'll simply become entrenched in his own view and that's where the trouble begins.
 
Tibby and I have argued with him on several occasions as to why he continues to keep Bartertown afloat. During this time, he is constantly on the offense, looking for any sort of flaws with the person themselves rather than the arguement in an attempt to discredit me. Similar to a dog attacking someone, I had misinterpreted one of his lines and he began riddling me with comments on how stupid I sounded, being passive-aggressive in an attempt to provoke me. He's an admin, and I do not find this type of behavior acceptable. I know you work a lot on your events and so, but please, as an admin learn how to control your feelings? Now, similar to the other admins, it's clear they are biased when you are talking with them.
 
The Community
To put it simple, some people have no lives. Which contributes to the problems I've listed above. I know roleplay is cool and all, but come on, chill your fucking tits. To add to that problem, I hate to say it but there are so many stupid people on this server. I'll even admit, I exploited this by adding many of them into my steam and building a sort of OOC underground. I could and did manipulate them to doing a few things simply by being friendly. Talk about metagame, especially when they're running their mouths on everything, especially to ANYONE. This doesn't matter to me anymore, because of all the hate they seem to have for bandits. This ties in with the previous points I made, being these fuckers don't want to lose their characters. It's just a game my fucking guy, calm down. And really? You're going to get mad or get back at someone because you lost someone, in an APOCALYPSE? Regarding the setting, you simply can't sit at your lesbian farm fisting each other, or sitting by and playing this wannabe hardass and not expect any dangers. Remember! It's the fucking apocalypse.
 
Shoutout to the top three that I have on my mind most when I'm thinking about this post. First up is Nitro. Please, no one cares about your OOC life that you constantly complain about, stop being a twelve year old child. It's so cringey I see you spam the chat OOC with smiley faces during every single encounter, and it sucks ass. It's also funny seeing you try to ERP with someone, but you can't find anyone because everyone knows you're dumber than them and they know you're a child. As the kids in the internet say, KYS.
 
Star
You're dumber than anyone I've ever met both IRL and online. You keep playing these cliche pretty girls who who fill your IRL lack of compassion and love in IRL. Also, grotesque you show your fat tits on your steam like some teenage girl.
 
Mindgate
 
Total dickhead, it seems the stories of what people told me from long ago still pertain to you today. Corrupt is the least I'll say. Fuck yourself.
 
 
While there are smarter players, it sucks the dumber ones rule it. Pity, I'd like to see it change but due to the fact dickheads manage this server it's just not going to change, and just like the many other good players that left, I'll join them.
 
I guess that's it, that's pretty much all I had to say, even if I might have forgotten some. I guess it will never heard a lot of and that people are prolly gonna to not give a shit, but I don't really give a damn myself to be honest. I had fun on this server, I really improved my english on it, but it's over now, I can't handle another load of bullshit. I may be the incarnation of cancer itself I don't know, just waiting for the ban right now so I can never have RP with such a dumb and corrupted community again. I don't give a damn about the feedbacks, nothing will make me change my mind until a long time.

 

Unfortunately, for some reason, these reviews weren't left for long on the New dawn forums website, so I took the liberty of saving those and personally spread it around for those to see. Needless to say, the two were great guys OOC and were capable of some good roleplay. Keep in mind however, they won't be alone. They'll be joining a lot of former, disgruntled AGN players in a number of games such as Neverwinter Nights, or spend their time in another community with each other. Truly the best roleplayers have left for greener grass. Luckily for me, I am now a part of this band of roleplayers. Shoutout to these former players, who all left or was banned for similar reasoning. [Jack Bauer] [Dylan] [FatherTimesGames] [Jesterphobia] [Pvt.Motherfucker] [Devon Roberts] [Killsoty] [Mr.Blue] [Zaak] [CandyBar] [PrincePaul87] [Emios] [Vcarrasola] [Stotch] [Pann] [Capture Point Crusader] - - These are the guys I currently still have on my friendslist / / remember due to their excellent roleplay and OOC behavior. All driven away for the same reason. Let us remember them with our old theme, the Emotional Titanic Flute Song.

 

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I've no intentions of boasting, but for the sake of giving this review credit I must reveal a little bit about myself and the time I've spent here. Prior to NewDawn, I had been roleplaying for four years on multiple different communities and games. I came and spent two years before the inevitable death of Kamakize.  During the two years here, I've spent time in four different lores, and each and every time I can tell you right now. It's very repetitive in a sense. The server is presented the same problems each and every time, but they do not provide any concrete solutions to these problems. So many good players have fled because of this, and after tonight marked a breaking point for me. 

 

With all of these problems AGN is presented with, where do they come from? My main theory is from two things. The two being:

 

Playing To Win

When you are roleplaying, "winning" should not be a goal in your mind, but rather telling a story from the point of your characters. Players playing to win want the best for their characters, being that one (not) badass tough guy spouting out cool one liners, or that one guy all the (IRL MEN) ladies pine after. This itself isn't a problem, but this is where everyone done fucked up at. If at any point something doesn't go their way, they will try a number of slimy things OOC to attempt to get themselves out of a predicament which could potentially have them lose or shame their characters. This is a very broad statement that covers a number of things I will try to discuss in full details later on. 

 

Out of Character Cliques & Rivalries

The destruction of roleplay itself, OOC cliques includes activities of holding & acting upon grudges because of one friend, meta gaming (sharing IC information OOC and acting upon it) and of course the subject I'll cover later admin corruption. These groups only do things to further their own gain and to keep their enemies down. Unfortunately for the server, when one group fills in EVERY admin slot on the server, that's when shit starts to go downhill.

 

With a basic idea of what the main roots are to many problems facing AGN, I will now discuss the problems branching off from it.

 

Combat Roleplay

Combat before and during the "Gunderson Lore" mainly took place in the form of mechanical fighting. The rules were simple, you did a countdown before you went ape shit crazy on each other, and KOS was only allowed if the two parties had some form of roleplay before hand. This was a very effective way of executing battle scenes in my opinion, there was no hold ups or any mass confusion during any fight scene with however matter of players. The system is part of the game, which means its concrete and cannot really be cheated on like text / roll fighting. It does have its flaws, one being the target automatically chosen is the one closest towards you. You may roleplay a character being decent with aim but mechanically can't hit shit. [I suggested having each players aim raised to lvl 3 because it's the apocalypse and I'm sure somewhere during road they've learned or handled one. As for players roleplaying things such as soldiers, have them raise it higher. For the guys like me who you hate for having high stats? Set a ca - - 

 

 

Eventually after this lore mechanical fighting was taken away all together and that's when things went downhill quickly. Everyone quickly scrammed to become the world's greatest hand to hand fighter, as well as be the perfect shooter in all of Kentucky. Players would attempt to dictate where the shot would land at, both for other players and themselves. Despite accepting grievous injuries that would hinder basic movement, if not all movement, players would find themselves pulling off super human actions. Almost every person I've combat fought over this server had power gamed to a great extent leaving behind a mess of roleplay. I cannot stress how tired I was of seeing ten+ bullets graze a person at point blank range. I cannot handle seeing a man being beaten near death, only to somehow escape by running into the nearby forest because mechanically they could sprint away. People pick and choose what they like, which includes being able to mechanically sprint away while at the same time be offered protection from any incoming mechanical fire that may result in doing so. You shouldn't be able to choose where a bullet lands or barely misses, a system should do that for you. Admin intervention is necessary, but when the admins themselves barely know what would happen in a situation like that so many of these things go unnoticed. Not to mention how you'd get away with things if you're friends with them.

 

*Cartwheels away from bullets* *Drags large HAM radio after being starved and just given birth to child* *Shotgun blast close-range grazes leg, allowing him to run away*

 

While this is a roleplay server and while it is ideal for things such as combat to go through proper roleplay, the community itself cannot handle such a thing. The mindset of the majority is fucked up and no one will punish them for this behavior. While we're on the issue of combat, I'd like to address "pistol spamming." I'm in no way claiming to be a military expert whatsoever, but if you think a man sits still during a gunfight and carefully fires off one round at a time because he's some super soldier, you're sorely mistaken. Now, this is roleplay and I honestly don't care if your guy does that or not, but when you begin to harass the players who's characters fight a different way by "pistol spamming" that's when I get salty. If you've done a bit of research, learn the definition of fear roleplay, you'd know exactly how many rounds a normal person would go through in a gunfight. Even if this an apocalypse where supplies are low -NewDawn never replicates the starving environment.- the last thing on that guy's mind is whether or not he'll have more for later. That's my take on things here. 

 

Another thought to think about is whether or not mechanical death has any meaning. Let me tell you, if your characters death didn't mean shit over mechanical fighting, it certainly won't mean anymore over text fighting. A lot of the people here like to romanticize things, including the death of their own characters which is stupid. The chances of you smiling after being shot a shit load of times and cracking some shitty one liner is so low. Realistically your guy would be crying, shitting their pants, etc, but since this is NewDawn and everyone wants to be that badass with the greatest heroic death, it never happens. Moments before your death, my character cannot see or hear some third world narration on your characters demise as well. It breaks the rule where you can't emote your own character's thoughts or feelings.

 

While this isn't related to combat, we should go over properly emoting things as well. Elitists, and some admins love emoting obnoxious thoughts OOC attacking the player/characters. It's so fucking sickening, I don't need to see three paragraphs on why your character is having fish tonight and why he hates another character. Just emote your actions like a basic human being and roleplay any visible signs of agitation or anger, thanks.

 

NEXT TOPIC

 

ERP

 

Anytime the word lesbian is thrown in any PZ chat wherever, the first thought that comes to mind is NewDawn. Now, in recent times ERPing and lesbians running out into the woods hasn't been an issue. It's a thing of the past really, but there's still ERPing or RP that cater towards that way. In my opinion, I'm actually indifferent towards this. If you're so immature or young that you can't see that type of shit, the fuck are you doing here in the first place? It's an apocalypse where fucked up shit happens like rape. Then there's the fact we murder and manipulate each other which isn't very child friendly. No, ERP itself isn't the fucking issue. It's isolation RP.

 

When I originally joined NewDawn, it seemed there was a large female character population that all surprisingly were homosexual. This didn't bother me at all, but the fact they all ran off together somewhere in the middle of the woods and didn't roleplay with anyone else, including new players pissed me off. Part of the reason why I did an entire lore of banditry was to rectify this. Drive them out of the woods, have them do some sort of conflict roleplay which would include other players. Simple right? Not so due to the fact they'd fight me not IC which would be good, but OOC. While there are so many details regarding this part of the post, it'd simply be enough to say, if the legendary bandit Edmund Gunderson didn't exist, the current lore would probably be similar to the ones in the past. Lesbians ERPing and a bunch of elitists talking shit around the campfire. 

This ties in with us today, many of these players who had *ahem* ERPed or spent time together in these isolation camps have formed cliques. I don't need to name specifics, if you spent five minutes in NewDawn you'd know EXACTLY which players I'm talking about, because almost everyone else who isn't stupid and hasn't left has the same opinions such as me.

 

Corruption

This is actually pretty common in A LOT of roleplay servers today, AGN is no exception. We've had promises to clean house, and we did for brief times, however the admins that got kicked to the curb always came crawling back. Probably because of the lack of willing players, that's probably why the owner let them come back despite being exposed with evidence of their ill-wills toward players and activities. While I no longer have the screenshots, these guys are some of the nastiest elitists I've ever encountered. I've had several friends in the admin team working alongside them, and every day, they'd post some players information in the admin chat and would proceed to literally shit on them non-stop. If you didn't conform to their shitty roleplay standards it was basically over for you. They have abused item spawning, character resurrections and even turned a blind eye to cheating. (Item spawning, and skill boosting.) This all sounds relatively absurd, but when you pretend to be some fuckers friend and pretend you don't believe them, believe me, they'll start shelling out screenshots of their stats and items. I've witnessed admins follow characters during PVP initiations and hand out directions to their friends so that they may get the kill IC. I have seen admins even combat log and have their friends cry ignorance when the time came. (He was caught because we actually had one legit admin during this time.) Multiple players including myself brought this up with the owner, and he did nothing. There's so many stories I have there's simply not enough time and interest to go into details into each.

 

It was pretty much over for me since the beginning anyways, since I had aligned with a certain Jack Bauer and played multiple bandits with him. By ripping the virtual girlfriend off certain admins, they began their hatred of us and thus began their long line of corruption. They even began harassing us in whatever way they could, spawning zombies in near our base, etc. It even evolved to one point of them finding Jack's facebook and trying to "strike" him. [Funny actually coming from a squeaker, a gender-confused boy/girl, and their feminist friends LOL.]

 

Death of Kama

Because I'm a guy who likes realism and believes death is a good part of roleplay, especially in an apocalypse server (fuck me), I got handed the meat repeatedly multiple times and I've managed to put up with it. I originally planned to quit during my second lore but because of a friend I stayed, and I was planning to make this lore (4th) my final by the end of it all, but it looks like that ended for me prematurely which doesn't bother me at all really. I knew I was going to get some shit from the admins (especially when the new head admin is the actual GF of the lesbian girl IG of whom I've roleplayed killing their girlfriends and burning their farm). During another confusing gunfight, players began shooting at me with shotguns with their low rate of fire, firing at least six shells before I reacted and fired five shots back at them. Instant ban hammer, and who was going to stop it? Anyone from the admin team who's all besties? Nope. The owner? Nah that dude's out. So just like any death should be, I said two beautiful lines before passing.

((kk

((cya

 

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Final Verdict

This server suffers from so many problems and the staff and players alike are not willing to change this. They're happy with what they have which simply isn't good enough for me. I loved this server to the point it kept me tied down to PZ for over two years. If you've kept up with my rambling through this post, I ENCOURAGE you to join this server. Just like every single roleplay server in existence, it has its flaws. The players are immature dumb asses, the admins are weird and judgmental, and so 7/10 times your role play is going to end with you arguing with some kid on who's characters dick's bigger. However, you're going to meet some pretty cool guys as a result of this, and as my dude told me, the small parts of the server that you laugh and enjoy about is enough to offset the rest of the bullshit. It's my end on this server and probably the PZ game. NewDawn kept me tied up for about two years, so I'm gonna lace them up with a 6/10. Shoutout to the guys who made this a good experience.

 

peaceeee ~kama

 

Amazing. You are a legend, Kama (Leanmelon?). Thanks for putting all this out there. I died laughing at least twice.

Guess it's just not the server for me. ;)

 

3 hours ago, Darius said:

RESPECT IS NOT A RIGHT

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Couldn't agree more.

 

Hell of a read. I smell pie that needs checking on. Thanks for the journalism, everyone.

 

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Wow some people are salty as hell over being banned. Honestly. 

 

For anyone reading this thread, Emios was banned for cheating, VCarrasola (Who contributed to LeanMelon's post) was banned for harassing people in PMs, and LeanMelon himself was banned for abusing the game system to get a mechanical edge. These three should not be taken seriously, and most of the people who come by have a very good time roleplaying.

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48 minutes ago, atria said:

Wow some people are salty as hell over being banned. Honestly. 

 

For anyone reading this thread, Emios was banned for cheating, VCarrasola (Who contributed to LeanMelon's post) was banned for harassing people in PMs, and LeanMelon himself was banned for abusing the game system to get a mechanical edge. These three should not be taken seriously, and most of the people who come by have a very good time roleplaying.

Ah the classic discredit because of people being "salty", Alstrum's good at that one as well (see Darius' post!). Everyone here actually brought up valid points but there's a 100% chance that's going to fall on deaf ears to the admin team.

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