SereneAngel218 Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 46 minutes ago, Robshaw said: Hey hydromanxer this update is fucking awesome! thank you very much. I am having trouble figuring out exactly how the new smelters, forges and kilns work concerning fire damage. Every time you use one is there a random chance you will be burned? Fire starts on the ground you stand? You need a full fireman's suit and gear to blacksmith and not get burned? If this is the case then this needs a serious nerfing. As one of the few wierdos who actually does smelt (I am a plumber gas fitter and i collect copper scraps and melt them down in a tiny smelter the size of a flower pot in my back yard to make copper ingots for money at the recycler) I can tell you all you need is a good pair of gloves and you are fine. Maybe safety glasses would be a good idea and an apron would reduce any chance you ever had of hurting yourself to almost nothing. Needing fireman's gear is waaay over kill in my humble opinion. Both in terms of realism and game balance I humbly suggest you make only three items necessary, Gloves, apron and safety glasses. This bothers me too since I have a list of stuff I still need to craft and with the news that I now risk getting burned and causing a fire that may potentially kill me / burn my hotel base down, I'm not liking this update despite all the extra items added with this. Does fire catch on the ground unless you have the full fire suit on or is that random despite finding it? Also, now that finding bugs, flowers and mining makes you tired, I was hoping to see more stamina restoring items in the game besides Ginseng. Maybe make a tea out of the plant that can reduce tiredness so we have something else to drink besides coffee? (Speaking of coffee, is it possible to be able to grow it so we can have homemade coffee? If we can have meat grinders to make sausage, then coffee grinders could be used to grind coffee beans to make coffee powder.) Robshaw and Jether 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robshaw Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, SereneAngel218 said: This bothers me too since I have a list of stuff I still need to craft and with the news that I now risk getting burned and causing a fire that may potentially kill me / burn my hotel base down, I'm not liking this update despite all the extra items added with this. Does fire catch on the ground unless you have the full fire suit on or is that random despite finding it? Also, now that finding bugs, flowers and mining makes you tired, I was hoping to see more stamina restoring items in the game besides Ginseng. Maybe make a tea out of the plant that can reduce tiredness so we have something else to drink besides coffee? (Speaking of coffee, is it possible to be able to grow it so we can have homemade coffee? If we can have meat grinders to make sausage, then coffee grinders could be used to grind coffee beans to make coffee powder.) I kind of like how this makes it a big of a bigger deal to forge your items. I also like how this facilitates the need to build a seperate safe area to forge in with a water catcher near by and some buckets to put out potential fires. I think blacksmith burning needs a serous nerf, however, if it does not get one i will continue to play this mod and use it on my girlfriend and I's server. zomboid would be empty without hydrocraft. Edited March 21, 2016 by Robshaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robshaw Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, SereneAngel218 said: (Speaking of coffee, is it possible to be able to grow it so we can have homemade coffee? If we can have meat grinders to make sausage, then coffee grinders could be used to grind coffee beans to make coffee powder.) maybe even just mortar and pestle or grinding stone? Edited March 21, 2016 by Robshaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SereneAngel218 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, Robshaw said: I kind of like how this makes it a big of a bigger deal to forge your items. I also like how this facilitates the need to build a seperate safe area to forge in with a water catcher near by and some buckets to put out potential fires. I think it needs a nerf however, if it does not get one i will continue to play this mod and use it on my girlfriend and I's server. zomboid would be empty without hydrocraft. I don't have a problem with making a safe area for forging when I already have an area set up, it just came out of left field that now I have to be super careful otherwise I'll catch on fire and die from the flames. I guess I'm just irked since I doubt I'll be able to find the new items I need to at least protect myself since I cleared most of my current map and now with mining causing me to be tired, I'll have to spend days on end trying to find minerals since the mining is totally random. I suppose I could travel to the main game maps from Bedford Falls to find what I need...if I had a clue where they spawned at. Also, I take back my statement somewhat on not seeing stamina restoring items since I saw Caffeine Pills in the crafting screen. Hopefully I'll be able to find some, though it would be cool to craft it like the other medicine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadrinka4 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 10 hours ago, Eila said: I'm trying to figure this out too, you can see how it works in HCFire.lua. As far as I can tell all you need is to have the items in your inventory and you should get between 50-75% protection depending on the gear you have, but with the blacksmith apron and welding mask I still get burned 90% of the time using the kiln, and most of the time its two burns. Edit: So what I'm gathering is, the fire protection gear only reduces the damage you take from a burn that comes from the smelter, forge, kiln. Each time you use one of these objects, the game rolls twice for burns. Once for head, once for body. Kiln is an 81% chance to be burned, the Smelter is an 86% chance to be burned, the Blast Furnace has a 91% chance to be burned, and the Industrial Furnace is a 96% chance to be burned. Also each object has different chances to do greater damage, a kiln will always do burntype 0, but a Industrial Furnace can roll between 0-3 burntypes. Thank you for your information ^^ Helped me alot. From what i've seen. Smelthing really have high chance of killing you. Since chance of getting burns don't get reduced. Hopefully this is a bug or something. Anyways, Can someone tell me where I can find HCFire.lua file? Its not in mod folder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaGrey Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Hope there's a chance of being crushed to death added to the mines/quarries to decrease stone/ore spam. DramaSetter, Hydromancerx and Robshaw 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robshaw Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, EnigmaGrey said: Hope there's a chance of being crushed to death added to the mines/quarries to decrease stone/ore spam. I think that is inspired. Although I'd replace crushed to death with random slight chance of minor to moderate injury and rare chance of fracture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadrinka4 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, EnigmaGrey said: Hope there's a chance of being crushed to death added to the mines/quarries to decrease stone/ore spam. LOL omg.. all those PAINSSSSS XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobochi Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 2 hours ago, quadrinka4 said: Anyways, Can someone tell me where I can find HCFire.lua file? Its not in mod folder... Which mod folder are you looking in? I'm using the Steam version and I found mine. :/ This is my path: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\workshop\content\108600\498441420\mods\Hydrocraft\media\lua\server It's one of the loose files in that server folder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydromancerx Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 14 hours ago, SereneAngel218 said: (Speaking of coffee, is it possible to be able to grow it so we can have homemade coffee? If we can have meat grinders to make sausage, then coffee grinders could be used to grind coffee beans to make coffee powder.) Well there are some new pharmacy items, including Caffeine Pills. Robshaw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShuiYin Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 5 hours ago, quadrinka4 said: Thank you for your information ^^ Helped me alot. From what i've seen. Smelthing really have high chance of killing you. Since chance of getting burns don't get reduced. Hopefully this is a bug or something. Anyways, Can someone tell me where I can find HCFire.lua file? Its not in mod folder... maybe if not protected enough gets a warning instead of suddently got burned while using it? like maybe character say "its too hot i need to wear item X before i can use that" that may simulate us detecting the scorching heat and therefore risk of injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShuiYin Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 5 hours ago, EnigmaGrey said: Hope there's a chance of being crushed to death added to the mines/quarries to decrease stone/ore spam. with any risk of death im sure people will avoid them entirely Lol. maybe small chance to get damaged and stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SereneAngel218 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, EnigmaGrey said: Hope there's a chance of being crushed to death added to the mines/quarries to decrease stone/ore spam. Noooo.... Mining is already a pain as it is due to the fact that the ores you find are random as hell especially if you need a particular ore to craft. Now you want to kill people that need it to make a good amount of stuff in this mod? This is suppose to be a happy mod dedicated to building cool stuff. Keep your obsession at trying to kill players at every turn in the vanilla game, darn it XD Unless...were you the one that influenced Hydro to have us risk burning to death via smelter/kiln/furnace? D: Edited March 21, 2016 by SereneAngel218 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robshaw Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, SereneAngel218 said: "This is suppose to be a happy mod dedicated to building cool stuff. Keep your obsession at trying to kill players at every turn in the vanilla game, darn it XD" This is not why i play Zomboid and I hope it is not the case for Hydrocraft that there is no effort put into keeping things extremely dangerous. If you want a happy game dedicated to building cool stuff then you should try Minecraft. There is also a cheat mod available in the workshop that will make any part of the game extremely "happy" for you as in you will be invincible. Edited March 21, 2016 by Robshaw francogp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wveth Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I can't believe you're still so dedicated to this mod. Bravo! But what're you gonna do with the new nutrition system? Are you going to go back and actually give all the food items stats and update EVERYTHING? Because that would be insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShuiYin Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 21 minutes ago, Wveth said: I can't believe you're still so dedicated to this mod. Bravo! But what're you gonna do with the new nutrition system? Are you going to go back and actually give all the food items stats and update EVERYTHING? Because that would be insane. He is insane and he already completed what you just said . Hydro dedication is tough like steel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wveth Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 He did it already?! Holy ...! Welp, I'm impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydromancerx Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Wveth said: I can't believe you're still so dedicated to this mod. Bravo! But what're you gonna do with the new nutrition system? Are you going to go back and actually give all the food items stats and update EVERYTHING? Because that would be insane. It's basically done. Just waiting on the nutrition system to go on the public branch. Quote He is insane and he already completed what you just said . Hydro dedication is tough like steel Most of the nutrition system conversion was done by my amazing girlfriend! Without her i don't think i would have been able to convert all the food to the new system. So if you want to thank anyone, thank her for her hard work on converting Hydrorcraft to the new nutrition system. Edited March 22, 2016 by Hydromancerx Wveth and ShuiYin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutz Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Been playing the new Iwbums branch and it's hard to go back to the old graphics now, glad to hear you didn't abandon the mod and can't wait to play it when build 34 is released! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jether Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) Now we just need a mod that plays "Make Da Fire Burn Dem" everytime a fire gets caused. Edit: You also gotta fix being able to eat zombies. A skinned corpse restored 100 hunger and you just need to read a book right after for no penalty. So atm as long as zombies are around you have food forever. And odd meat is useless at -5 hunger and tons of -stats where a fresh corpse is less punishing and you dont even need a book to skin a corpse so anyone can do it. Edited March 22, 2016 by Jether Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadrinka4 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) I don't get this new smelting mechanic. I finally got a Fire Suit and tried crafting red bricks with it in my inventory and I still receive burns and same damage as if I would wearing only welding mask. Making a blast furnace need at least 100 red bricks... receiving damage for every brick Is there a better way to smelt now? Edited March 22, 2016 by quadrinka4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankspeed Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, quadrinka4 said: I don't get this new smelting mechanic. I finally got a Fire Suit and tried crafting red bricks with it in my inventory and I still receive burns and same damage as if I would wearing only welding mask. Making a blast furnace need at least 100 red bricks... receiving damage for every brick Is there a better way to smelt now? Where did you find the fire suit? I tried the fireman jacket and helmet and may as well have been wearing nothing for all the good it did me. Still got burned on the head and arm Edited March 22, 2016 by Flankspeed PS-Awesome mod. I came back to Zomboid after a year or so just to try this mod. So glad I did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SereneAngel218 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 On 3/21/2016 at 3:07 PM, Robshaw said: This is not why i play Zomboid and I hope it is not the case for Hydrocraft that there is no effort put into keeping things extremely dangerous. If you want a happy game dedicated to building cool stuff then you should try Minecraft. There is also a cheat mod available in the workshop that will make any part of the game extremely "happy" for you as in you will be invincible. I was joking about the happy part. But I guess I was just confused that it took this many updates to now make using the kiln/furnace/smelter dangerous as oppose to when it was first introduced in the mod. I'm still concerned about the fires suddenly appearing since there isn't a good description on just how the new fire hazard surrounding those items work. I know burning food in the oven can cause fire, but what about using the kiln or smelter? Robshaw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShuiYin Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 20 hours ago, Hydromancerx said: It's basically done. Just waiting on the nutrition system to go on the public branch. Most of the nutrition system conversion was done by my amazing girlfriend! Without her i don't think i would have been able to convert all the food to the new system. So if you want to thank anyone, thank her for her hard work on converting Hydrorcraft to the new nutrition system. Wow it is good to have a partner that share the same hobby Robshaw, Hydromancerx and Danielle 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hicks Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Yeah whats the deal with the fire suit and still getting burned? Getting reports of this on Redboid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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