ORMtnMan's Real Guns Mod 1.242 [32.30]

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I get this:

script: loading C:\Users\Franco\Zomboid\mods\ORGM\media\scripts\ORGMMods.txtadding unknown item param "MountType" = "SD		Tooltip"

[ORMtnMan]

Do you not have any intention of adding suppressors?

 

 

Also, just want to take a moment and say thank you for the awesome mod. You're doing great work, and it's really cool of you to take time to answer everyone who posts here.

 

 

They will be added eventually, but I am working on getting the reload function working first.

 

 

 

I already told him about the 2xscope problem and I think the distribution errors may be the desert eagles cause I remember when making my mod from the names in distribution I got a error with both cause of misspelling lol also the SPR19111 that's a thing also lol

 

Fluffe nailed it

 

I fixed it changing 

 

	item 2xScope	{		Type		=	WeaponMod,		DisplayName	=	Scope; 2x,		Icon		=	2xScope,

to

	item 2xScope	{		Type		=	WeaponPart,		DisplayName	=	Scope; 2x,		Icon		=	2xScope,

 

That was from me experimenting on the new modding system... I forgot to change it back

 

I don't know if this is the right place, but on the Redboid server I (and others) have noticed that other players can't hear other players shooting, unless they are really really close. For sure a bug, i just don't know if it is a base game thing.

 

The sound in my mod was killed by the new update. They changed how the sound radius' are handled

[Clayman]

 

Do you not have any intention of adding suppressors?

 

 

Also, just want to take a moment and say thank you for the awesome mod. You're doing great work, and it's really cool of you to take time to answer everyone who posts here.

 

 

They will be added eventually, but I am working on getting the reload function working first.

 

 

 

I already told him about the 2xscope problem and I think the distribution errors may be the desert eagles cause I remember when making my mod from the names in distribution I got a error with both cause of misspelling lol also the SPR19111 that's a thing also lol

 

Fluffe nailed it

 

I fixed it changing 

 

	item 2xScope	{		Type		=	WeaponMod,		DisplayName	=	Scope; 2x,		Icon		=	2xScope,

to

	item 2xScope	{		Type		=	WeaponPart,		DisplayName	=	Scope; 2x,		Icon		=	2xScope,

 

That was from me experimenting on the new modding system... I forgot to change it back

 

I don't know if this is the right place, but on the Redboid server I (and others) have noticed that other players can't hear other players shooting, unless they are really really close. For sure a bug, i just don't know if it is a base game thing.

 

The sound in my mod was killed by the new update. They changed how the sound radius' are handled

 

 

So should i report it in the bugs forum or is it something you are looking to fix?

[ORMtnMan]

 

So should i report it in the bugs forum or is it something you are looking to fix?

 

 

It's not their (IS') fault, they just changed how the code call is handled, it threw my call out of whack. It is a matter of changing to to match the way they did it. So, it is not a bug on their end (that I know of). I will fix it in the new vision, but as I have said previously I will not be fixing or supporting the older version.

[Jab]

 

 

So should i report it in the bugs forum or is it something you are looking to fix?

 

 

It's not their (IS') fault, they just changed how the code call is handled, it threw my call out of whack. It is a matter of changing to to match the way they did it. So, it is not a bug on their end (that I know of). I will fix it in the new vision, but as I have said previously I will not be fixing or supporting the older version.

 

 

I would always say "API Versioning" but ya know...  

 

Don't worry. ORGM will get to that when he gets a chance.

[KINGKICKASS1552]

While I may be a bit late to say so, I would like to take a very brief moment to say congratulations on the mod spotlight; that's a pretty huge achievement having the developers of the game acknowledge how massive and how much work and dedication you've put forth into the mod, so much so that they would interview you, that's a pretty big honor. On tap today is nothing necessarily crazy, although there has to be some unusual suggestions, otherwise it just plain wouldn't be my suggestion, it'd be like Jimi Hendrix without the distortion sound or drugs. And please, feel free to shoot some of these down if they're too obscure or rare, I completely understand that some of my suggestions are super rare and damn near impossible to find or ammo scarcity or other people just plain wouldn't want them, as far as I'm concerned these are just suggestions to add, not obligations, also I'm gonna try to get Webley's and add another new ammo type in this one. Now what I'm set on doing here is to create a gun suggestion so large it either A; hits some imposed character limit that is not currently known to me, or B; takes up an entire page. My only regret being that it will most likely not be page 69 9 giggity 0. So less talk, more rock, I'll get right into it.

 

Mare's Leg - I'm honestly kicking myself for not thinking this up earlier, it's a gun that's been in nearly every wild west themed shooter, and I'm sure we're all familiar to a degree with it. In essence, it is a sawed down lever action rifle 9 and also sawed down lever action shotguns, but seeing as there's already the option to saw down a Winchester 1887, there's no real point to making a shotgun version, unless you would like to 0 Because 'Mare's Leg' is a broad term, like DW PPC revolvers, I'll refer specifically to the new Chiappa Mare's Legs which are sawed down 1892 lever actions. They are 5.5 lbs, can be chambered in .357 and .44 magnum and both can hold 5 shots plus one in the chamber. The barrel is one foot long, and the stock and frame of the gun are another foot bringing it to a compact package of two feet, one handed fury. I suppose I'd want to see it just because I've been playing a fair amount of old west games, and who can say they don't want to be a badass dead-eye gunslinger of the zombie apocalypse/

 

 

REMINGTON 1740 - So remember a while back when I suggested the AF2011A1 9 which I had noticed that and a few other of my suggestions were being discussed   0 shameful pride of no actual work aside, I think you'll like this a bit better. Now I'm all for a double 1911, that's arguably the best pistol to make 2 of and then put in 1 gun. But how about if we took it a step further and did that exact idea with a goddamn shotgun/ now that's a wee bit more fun now, innit/ haha. Now what it is, it's essentially the same thing as the AF2011A1 only done with 2 Remington 870's instead of 1911's. Obviously, this gun is really rare, considering that gunsmiths make these as private, custom orders, or backyard engineers make them after having to contact the ATF; but they do exist and to a number that is reasonable enough 9 and especially in Kentucky, that's definitely where you would find a few of these 0 to be found in the game and the real world, although with plenty of digging. all the stats are inherent of what can be assumed; it's double the weight of an 870, double the capacity although it is done with two separate magazine tubes and one pump, much like the DP12. Either way, you could probably just have both of them function as shotguns with 16 shell tubes instead of 8; Regardless, it'd be a badass weapon, and a hell of a lot of fun to use. 

 

 

Winchester Model 101 - If it wasn't blatantly obvious, I like shotguns, I really, really love them, especially in Zomboid because of their incredible consistent reliability, even at low aiming levels. However, all the same, I feel as though there is such an imbalance between over-under and side-by-side shotguns in this mod; not that it really matters anyway, but Engineer's Law 9 for those unfamiliar with Team Fortress, it is 'Use More Gun.', and that same mettle applies to the above suggestion 0. The Model 101 is much like the Model 21 in that it is a luxury double barrel, is held in high regards for its accuracy and is produced by Winchester. Now for the actual stats, it's 12g weighs 8 lbs and is made of polished Belgian wood with an engraved nickel plated receiver 9 it's a pretty, shiny gun 0. I believe as I said last time for a reason wanting one of these luxury shotguns in the game was that who doesn't want to kill zombies, and be a classy sophisticate while doing so. 'Genteel and certainly not gentle.'

 

Next up I have a few guns from the same general family that are produced in a myriad of calibers, though they might get a bit confusing with all the caliber variants, so put in what you like, or don't if you don't. All of them have polymer grips, but as a  9 lore friendly, and I know lore is not the scope of the mod, that's just gravy at this point 0 production stunt in 1991 by Heckler Koch, some 500 of each of these guns were produced with genuine wooden marksman grips, which would be a really cool rare variant version of these common guns.

 

P7M13 - a HK design, this piece came to be during the M9 trials, it is a gas delayed semi auto system boasting a unique appearance, a weight of 1.9 lbs, a 13 round 9x19 Parabellum magazine, a very simple, very affordable design which is why I propose that it and other variants of the P7 design be civilian commons, because I have so many Beretta 92F's that I have one for every container in the West Point police station armory and adjacent office. 9 really not sure why but it just spawns so much more often than other civilian common pistols, and the magazines spawn like hotcakes sell 0 Now according to the website, it did say this weapon had a problem with durability but that Heckler-Koch provided tool kits to keep it in good repair, so having this weapon degrade slightly faster than other pistols would be a good touch.

 

P7K3 - weighing in at 1.75 lbs, this gun can be chambered in .22LR, .32 ACP and .380 ACP, which covers some ammo types that I had to work to find guns for. This gun sports an 8 round single stack magazine, a semi auto design and a fix to the degradation issue that the former model above had, in addition, the gun can be converted very easily between the calibers with a kit. I know these descriptions are getting to be pretty barebone but what else is there to say, German semi auto, calibers, capacity, weight, think that covers all bases, except fire rate, the P7K3 is a straight blowback rather than gas delay, so take from that what you will.

 

P7M10 - 2.5 lbs, chambered in .40 SW 9 I apologize for my lack of a shift key, all the capitals are just double tapping the caps lock key 0 features a 10 round magazine, semi auto gas delay design, pretty solid weapon likely to be found as personal and home defense weapon, good design, good feel, and an overall unique weapon that I would love to see in the game. Finally a breath of fresh air from the 'handgun metagame' where all the guns look like the same bland, boring design

 

 

And now here's some cool weapons from the Old Country.

 

Beretta Model 38 - Here's the rare find of the day, nothing super wild though, save that for a little further down the line; This is a weapon that time forgot, made before the war, 1938, this Italian stallion 9x19 Parabellum blowback design is fully automatic, has a 270 yd effective range, weighs in at 9.2 lbs and fires at 600 rounds per minute. Pretty good for something that saw such few years of action. And it comes in two particular variants, same caliber, just different stocks and grips. The 38-2 features a fixed wood stock and frame which very nicely compliments the perforated, recoil compensated barrel; these were originally produced at the beginning of the war before the Italian military had to opt for the 38-3, the cheap, 'cut corners' version. They take box magazines that can hold anywhere from 20 to 40 rounds. The 38-3 features less accuracy, worse durability 9 from cheap parts 0, lighter weight 9 due to its pistol grip/MP-40 esque folding stock 0 But still, very cool looking weapon, and one that can perform as well. 

 

FAMARS Rombo - The old adage says 'There's always a bigger fish' and this is living proof. Remember that Chiappa Triple/ Well here's the answer to it; 3 < 4. That's right, a quad barreled shotgun, in a breathtakingly beautiful package 9 go ahead give it a look up 0 While I try not be an advertisement for the guns I suggest, there must be description to convey extremes. A walnut stock with the most intricate engravings and carvings all along the barrel, trigger and frame, but enough swooning. The gun weighs 7.5 lbs, features a unique firing system, which to my understanding, as long as the trigger is pulled, will fire all four barrels one after the other, break action, made in .410 bore 9 and should the time come when it is suggested, 28 gauge 0 

 

Villar Perosa - Now, of course this suggestion is not for the original Villar Perosa which weighed 14 lbs and was meant to be used as a mounted gun; this is for the second iteration of it which weighed at a nicer 9 lbs and was suited for 'walking fire'. For those familiar with the term, that's a dead giveaway that this is a WWI weapon, but what they may not know is that this is the second iteration of the first submachine gun ever made. Now the bullets it shot 9 9mm Glisenti 0 are discontinued, but manufactured by one remaining company from time to time. But that's a shot in the dark, however many historians and collectors have documented and own Perosas converted to 9x19 Parabellum. So of course, this weapon is exceedingly rare, put it in or leave it out at your discretion, rarity is that much affecting the availability. But on the off chance that's not overly discouraging, here's the down low on the weapon; it's a double barrel, dual top mounted magazine with a built in bipod, which were sometimes sawed down as to be used as grips when there was nothing to mount it onto, has an effective range of 2,000 yards. Now if this doesn't sound sketchy, or like a terrible idea, allow me to terrify everyone and save this suggestion from the scrap bin; This, the world's FIRST submachine gun which held mere 25 round magazines FIRED AT A RATE OF 3,000 ROUNDS PER MINUTE. Now you do the math, if it holds 2 25 round magazines at a time, 3000/60 = 50 rounds. In a matter of a single second, both magazines are completely emptied in that time period. Let that sink in next time you're completely surrounded by a dense horde closing in from all directions in the dead of night. 1 second.

 

Beretta M1934 - weighing in at 1.45 lbs this blowback semi automatic, hailed for its extreme durability was mass produced in time for WWII and used accordingly by both the Axis and Allied sides. Its magazine can hold 7 .380 ACP rounds, plus one in the chamber makes a total capacity of 8 rounds. It is an incredibly small pistol making it perfect for quick, run and gun situations for unskilled shooters and a good pocket defense weapon for WWII enthusiasts making it fairly available but not super widespread. 

 

Beretta M1951 - 1.9 lbs of short recoil semi automatic 9x19mm Parabellum. Holding a 10 round magazine with sights fixed for 50m this is another perfect example of low skill requiring run and gun shooter. It's another typical common pistol for the average Zomboid survivalist. The reason why I'm suggesting the '34 and the '51 here are just comparing the appearance and performance of them to the HL1 pistol, they are perfect dead ringers for each other, and I think it'd be pretty awesome to take a piece of the Freeman Fury into Zomboid.

 

LF-57 - I managed to find this after accidentally deleting all my work on a previous attempt at a suggestion and am ecstatic that I was able to discover it once more, but enough tangent, here's the skinny on this badass Italian sub. 9 the lead spitter, not delicious kind 0 This pretty mama weighs in at 7 lbs, she spits 9x19 Parabellum at a rate of 500 rpm from a 20 or 40 round magazine. Now here's the kicker because I feel this is quickly becoming the 9x19mm/Italy/Skrub at shooting suggestion. This weapon's sights are fixed in for a mere 25m, so again another skrub shooter, but an interesting gun nonetheless, using a very common ammo type.

 

Okay so now that those parameters have been exhausted from this suggestion, seeing as there were quite a few weapons that met those, and there are infinitely more, I'll stay away from those for the rest of the time. Let's talk about the wonder weapons of the west; revolvers.

 

Colt Double Eagle - 9 not a revolver, but I'm a dick anyway 0 Again, this is another one of the multiple caliber production weapons, but I will not be suggesting the .45 ACP or 9mm variants because there's already the standard M1911 and the Springfield Armory 9mm, and I should also say that the .38 Super variant has already been added under the name of Colt Commander Super 38 but I'd like to throw the 10mm Auto and the .40 SW variants in the ring, because I was able to find the ammo for the guns, but no guns of that took it in my time playing. Weighs 2.6 lbs and has 8 round magazines across the board with an effective range of 50m and a maximum range of 70m.

 

Colt Trooper -Here's another like the above, but it's a double action revolver, infamously known to have a stiff double action trigger pull, 6 cylinder, weighs anywhere from 2.2 to 3.5 lbs from a 4 inch to 8 inch barrel, produced in .22LR, .38 Special, and of course by extension, .357 Magnum and it also came in .22 winmag. This here along with a few other revolvers, which I'll also recommend because revolvers are just fantastic and simple machines were made specifically with the average policeman and highway state trooper in mind, and being produced in the first half half of the 20th century, as was the fashion of the time, it is blued steel with a nice wood grip

 

Colt Thunderer - This here is a historical piece and part of a new ammo type I'd like to bring to the mod, the previously discontinued .41 Long Colt; previously discontinued being that officially, Colt stopped making them but gunsmiths and experienced handloaders everywhere continue to make mints from producing the round 9 with 50 round boxes being valued at around 65 dollars, but real sharks charge the same for half as many. 0 Quick history brief, back in 1877 9 which is the real name of the gun, the Model 1877 but this one and the other two were given nicknames like 'lightning' and 'rainmaker' and this one being 'thunderer' that all stuck on so well, it kind of became the official name for them, and it sounds much more inspired too. 0 Colt wanted to make a gun for everybody, one for the law, one for the robbed shopkeep and even one for those who worked on the opposite side of the law, essentially, they wanted everybody to have a Colt so they could stick it to Winchester and any other company, so they specifically made the .41 Long Colt just for the Thunderer and over the years, it grew and grew and grew. But onto the stats, the meat of any good suggestion, if you will; weighs 2.5 lbs with a 4.5 inch barrel, has a fixed cylinder, is technically a double action, 9 but the double action is known for being completely godawful on this one, even attempting to use it can cause the gun to break down, and also has a reputation for being incredibly difficult to repair, often being called 'gunsmith's favorite' so it's better used single action 0 Now needless to say, .41 is a decently sized round, and considering the time it was manufactured, you can bet safely that it's a subsonic round, in layman's terms big and slow bullet = Big damage.

 

There was no data to be found on accuracy but given that this, like the Peacemaker 9 Colt SAA 0 it has only a front sight, so make of that what you will, and know that trained shooters will work the single action considerably faster than a double action can fire 9 Just look up Bob Munden single action and then compare it to Miculek fastest revolver shooting 0, so if the .41 Long Colt is to be considered, those should definitely represent two big factors, the damage of the round being superior and the fire rate being better for more experienced shooters, with the trade off of the scarcity of the ammo, it's for the big league players in the ballpark, essentially. Fun fact  - This was the gun Billy the Kid wore.

 

Colt M1892 - Made for the US Army and Navy of 1892, this double action swing out 6 cylinder .41 Long Colt revolver weighs in at 2.07 lbs comes with a 6 inch barrel on a blued frame. Although it did also come in civilian models which featured nickel plating instead of the authority blue steel. Pretty cool gun, also made in .38 Long Colt, but that caliber can go hide in the cupboard until we need it.

 

Colt M1889 - Theodore Roosevelt once wielded this swinging double action 6 cylinder revolver produced in .41 Long Colt. This gun typically featured the military/police blue steel finish with rubber grips, while the civilian variant featured the blue steel finish with walnut grips. Back to the actual stats, it weighs in, 9 unloaded weight 0 oddly enough at 2.07 lbs much like the 1892 model. Now this gun was a bit of a problem child, being the first revolver Colt produced that spun counter clockwise, they were still working out the kinks, mainly that because the design lacked a center pin and cylinder, the cylinder could actually move out of alignment when firing, which makes for quite an Achille's heel, nonetheless though, it was still a weapon favored by the US Navy for the era.

 

Colt Police - This swinging double action six shooter was produced in 1927 in .22LR, .41 Long Colt and .38 Special 9 and by extension you could put .357 in there, but that's gonna degrade the hell out of it, like loading 5.56 in an .223 chamber, it's too hot and too high of a pressure. 0 with a 6 inch barrel she weighs 2.2 lbs, but if you want to put on a barrel that says that you're not compensating for anything, it'll weigh 1.95 lbs with the 2 inch barrel military model. This weapon truly exploded in popularity when it was produced, Colt then took it one step further by detailing the weapon, giving it that blue finish, checkering the trigger and hand polishing them before shipping them out, which sent the public into even more of a craze over these reliable machines. This gun would cement Colt's dominance over the law enforcement and military market, and it being such a popular weapon, I think it would be one of a more sensible suggestion that is rarely seen of my suggestions.

 

Colt New Service - This double action six shooter was produced in an incredible number of calibers including .45 Colt, .41 Long Colt, .357 Magnum 9 and of course by extension, .38 Special 0 .45 ACP and .455 Webley.  

 

Despite explicitly stating that Webley is too rare and won't be accepted, I believe I have some new information to shed some light on the matter and clear the way for the Webley's. There are two companies that make and ship .455 Webley rounds and casings internationally, Fiocchi and Hornady, so the ammunition is not dead. In addition, many handloaders improvise rounds by using .45 Colt casings, .452 bullet molds that don't even need to be jacketed and a good fitting primer, and you're in business, all that needs to be done is make a minor cut in length to the .45 Colt casing, and even then, others use .45 ACP to do the same, it just requires one more cut. So not only are the rounds still sold, you can make your own with with relative ease with a fair amount of elbow grease. The .455 Webley ammunition I would like to suggest are MKII's because MKIII's are a violation of the Hague's and Geneva Conventions for being ersatz hollow points being called 'manstoppers' , not to mention have never been produced since they were more or less internationally banned. Let me say real quickly these bullets are FUCKIN' FAT SLOW THINGS, with a velocity of only 190m/s which needs to be multiplied by  about 1.815 to even reach sonic speed, along with the fact that it is nearly a 1/2 inch diameter. Consider the sheer magnitude of the damage that this round can inflict even with the pointed tips of the MKII ammo. It's like that big ol' fat  meatball kid from your junior high school who takes 20 minutes to run the mile, all sweaty and Diabetes ridden, but still hilarious and lovable.  Now, back to the Colt New Service.

 

Over 356,000 were manufactured during the time it was produced, weight of 2.5 lbs with a 4 inch barrel, you can go about 2.9 with a flashy 6 inch. Like many of these other old timey revolvers in this suggestion, it features a fixed blade front sight with a notched rear sight. Again, with it being made in a veritable oasis of calibers, I think this would be a really good addition to the mod.

 

If the Webley round itself is to be accepted, I believe a few of the guns the bullet was designed for should probably be tossed in too

and if that's the case, I'll give some stats here.

 

Webley MKIV - began production in 1899, weighs 2.2 lbs with a 6 inch barrel, holds 6 rounds, double action; front break, a highly sought after classic weapon throughout English history, although not as popular as the MKVI. There are several companies that produce lookalikes and knockoffs 9 some even bearing imitation Webley markings 0 of the weapon chambered for .45 ACP and .38SW. Still a rare weapon in part of the actual rarity of the weapon, and the other contributing factor to the rarity being the ammunition, so it's a rare gun and a rare, albeit possible to reproduce ammo. Still something that would be really cool to have in the game.

 

Webley MKVI - the final iteration of the Webley revolver, began seeing manufacturing in 1915, during the Great War, and would not see a stop until 6 years after it ended, many British officers and even GI's would pick up the new Webley before shipping out just as a personal piece should they lose their issued weapon or find themselves in a tight spot, which is how the Webley came to be one of the most popular handguns in English history. Either way, the stats are as follows; weight is 2.4 lbs, fires up to 30 rounds per minute with a fixed blade-notch sight system, is a double action, so you can definitely spit out more than 30 rounds if you fan the hammer instead of the trigger. Now with all the stats out of the way, that leaves the reason for suggesting, and as I had said in my last suggestion, this is the Bioshock 1 pistol, and being such a huge fan of the series, I would love to see this in the game as much as I love shotguns.... And Jimi Hendrix.... And porn... yeah porn.

 

And on a side note, here's a shot in the dark for that crazy 24 shot mod from Bioshock for it, I understand that's definitely not realistic, and my thing with it is, if you don't, I certainly will, it's just too perfect of an opportunity to pass up.

 

Smith and Wesson Triple Lock - As the Webley became so incredibly popular during WWI, the manufacturers were having an incredibly hard time keeping up with orders. Enter Smith and Wesson, who was contracted by Webley initially to just produce cylinders for them. However, all while producing the cylinders, Smith and Wesson came up with a new design featuring those cylinders, informed Webley, who then told them to go ahead and show them what they had. Smith and Wesson 9 and I'm sorry for no ampersands, I again do not have a shift key 0 then showed them the Triple Lock, and Webley was very satisfied with it and ordered 5,000 and then another 10,000 after the commercial success of the weapon. Of the 15,376 produced, EVERY LAST ONE WAS SOLD. It is considered by many to be 'the finest revolver ever made'. History aside, time for the stats, weight of only 2 lbs with a full 6.5 inch barrel, so if you had a shorter barrel version it could weigh only 1.5 lbs, holds 6 .455 Webley rounds, double action, swinging cylinder. And of course being the largest database of information known to man, the internet had no effective or maximum range to offer for this weapon.

 

Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver - This incredibly rare treat of a revolver is absolutely fascinating, almost like a M1911 and a Webley combined. It is a recoil operated design, using the recoil to push the hammer back into the cocked position, break action holding 6 .455 Webley rounds. The cylinder features a tell tale zig zag pattern making this a visually appealing piece as well as functional, weighing in at 2.7 lbs, this revolver while ingenious in design, was really knocked by soldiers of WWI that claimed the recoil operated system would jam much more than other, simpler revolvers. This bad publicity really tarnished sales, with about 10,000 made, many of them remained unsold even into the beginning of WWII. 

 

Bottom line for Webleys; they're rare guns with rare ammo, but once you do get your hands on one, you'll be very satisfied with the damage capabilities of it and the accuracy of them, being preferred guns by marksmen of their time such as Walter Winans.

 

 

Honestly, I'm torn as whether or not I should suggest weapons that have no business being in the US, or any conventional US military and police forces. The only reason why other weapons and automatic weapons made outside the US are suggested is because it is plausible for veterans to bring them back as war trophies, and collectors can also buy them from internet auctions For now, I'll hold off on them, and if anyone 9 and I'm referring to all users of the mod, not just casually addressing the Mountain Man, which is a pretty bad habit, that and referring to myself, which I'm doing right now and will continue to do with incredible frequency 0 has any opinions on whether or not they would want those weapons in the mod, and everyone's opinion matters and ultimately it comes down to the developer of the mod, but getting everyone's input would be a valuable asset.

 

Nonetheless here's a few rifles, and I did try to find more for older calibers like .30-06 and .303 before caving into 5.56 and 7.62.

 

M1941 'Betsy' - Made during the M1 trials, this carbine sports a 10 round rotary magazine which is reloaded using .30-06 clips. It features adjustable sights and a short recoil operating system in a package weighing 9.5 lbs. This rifle is a highly sought after WWII enthusiast's firearm, with about 70,000 produced during the time, it has become a collectable of sorts, and although it was rejected by the US military for not being able to withstand the Herculean torture tests the Garand did, many point out that what it lacks in durability to match the Garand, it does have a higher capacity and notably less recoil.

 

Winchester 1895 - Noted that the Russian variant has already been suggested, but there are so many more ammo types for this gun, it would just be strange to not have it in them. Stats will not be provided other than the other ammo types as the last suggester is assumed to have covered those bases. The gun was also produced in .30-06 and .303 British, both rounds that could probably use some more guns for.

 

 

Jungle Carbine - The Lee Enfield No. 5 MKI, better known as the 'Jungle Carbine', produced in .303 British, this bolt action rifle is essentially a lightweight version of the Lee Enfield No.4, it saw action through many dense brush environments all over the world by all kinds of militaries. But again with the history, here's the down low, weighs 7 lbs, comes with a flash suppressor built into the gun, has a 10 round magazine which is reloaded with charger clips and can spit out anywhere from 20 to 30 rounds per minute and has an effective range of 500 yards and a maximum range of 800 yards.

 

Bushmaster M17S - This Aussie semi automatic bullpup design fires 5.56 and by extension, .223's and is legal here in the States, because that Assault Weapons Ban is a really annoying thing to get around and put good, reliable weapons in the mod. Weighs 8.2 lbs, and takes STANAG mags, another convenience of the gun; just another rifle that isn't an M16 or an M4, I'd suppose.

 

Bushmaster Arm Pistol - Despite having 'pistol' in the name, officially this is recognized as a short rifle, and I include this only because the production number was never mentioned, so it doesn't feel wrong to say that this was produced in reasonable enough numbers to be found in game. Chambered in 5.56, so it can also fire .223's, weighs 5.25 lbs, and is a fully automatic design.

 

M60 Reising Rifle, M65 Reising - Originally designed as a submachine gun in trials for a bunker sweeper, 9 which as history would show, the Thompson would win that one 0 this semi automatic assault rifle is chambered in .45 ACP using a 20 round magazine, weighs 6.2 lbs and has a maximum firing range of 300 yards. In addition, another model, the M65 was produced in .22LR using the same base design.

 

M50 Reising, - This weapon is the submachine gun mentioned above, and shares the same weight and caliber of the M60 Reising, only difference being the automatic firing system, which operates at 550 rounds per minute.

 

Alright 19 guns to go; That should bring the total up to 50/ I believe; At this point I'm not even going for any limit, I'm going for an update being comprised of only my suggestions. 

 

Welcome to the Jungle, more specifically a southeast Asian jungle, the next round of guns are all from 'Nam.

 

M42 - This American made 9x19mm Parabellum submachine gun came to be in a shortage of Thompson subs for the Navy during WWII, as such this stepped in to fill the niche of the shorted weapon. It weighs 10 lbs even, fires at a rate of 700 rounds per minute, holds a 25 round magazine and features fixed sights, so a shooter doesn't exactly need to be an expert marksman to hit anything in particular.

 

Swedish K - How does a Swedish weapon find its way to America/ Answer; Vietnam. This 9x19mm Parabellum was designed in 1945 by Swedish inventor Carl Gustav, the weapon is known technically as the M/45, but has come to be known as the Swedish K. It weighs 7.4 lbs, holds 36 rounds in the magazine and fires at a rate of 600 rounds per minute.It features a straight blowback system and has an effective range of 250 meters. 9 And yes, this is the lightning round of suggestions, right to the point. 0

 

STEN - So taking a look around the suggestions, I saw that for whatever reason the STEN gun wasn't in there, and it just seemed really strange that nobody else had said anything about it, so I'll take care of that. Now most of the guns I suggest have production numbers in between 20,000 and 50,000 but compared to those, the STEN gun is downright common with 4.2 million produced, with more being produced every day; it is still being made. Anyway, she weighs 7.1 lbs, 9x19mm Parabellum, 32 round magazine, 550 rounds per minute sights fixed for 100 meters. Easily available to veterans, historians and collectors, it's fairly common to those types, so why not have it be a little more available 9 but as per usual, not everywhere 0; I keep finding P90's and Vectors anyway.

 

F1 - This, like the other two above is a 'Nam baby so to speak, and this is a really remarkable, interesting design, give it a look up, really cool looking weapon, but let's get right to it. Weighs 8.1 lbs, 9x19mm Parabellum, 620 rpm, 150m effective range, 34 round Sterling magazine, this beaut was used by the Aussie's when those FAL's couldn't cut it tight enough.

 

Sterling L2A3, Sterling L3A4 - This improvement on the STEN gun weighs in at 6 lbs, fires 9x19 Parabellum at a rate of 550 rounds per minute for both models. The split being the L2A3 does not have an internal suppressor while the more advanced L3A4 and all subsequent models sport an internal suppressor. The L2 has an effective range of 220 yards while the L3 has an effective range of 110 yards. So the tradeoff for low noise emission is range, which seems pretty fair. Also, if the weapon seems familiar, that is because this gun was the base for the Star Wars E11 9 Storm Trooper 0 Blaster Rifles.

 

Sterling 7.62 - Produced in the 1950's Cold War era, this 7.62x51mm battle rifle version of the Sterling submachine gun, it features the same weight and fire rate as the subs, was only made with the internal suppressors and took 20 round magazines and 30 round Bren gun magazines. No effective range was provided, but considering that it's a full rifle instead of the sub variant, but still has the suppressor, around 155 yards should do it.

 

HUSH PUPPY - This is not the standard SW Model 39, this is the SW Model 39 MK22 Mod 0, better known as the Hush Puppy. During the Vietnam War, US SOG troops would utilize this dead silent weapon to pick off stragglers and guard dogs without alerting the primary target. Now, the question might be 'how quiet exactly is this/' the answer; the gun had accounted for everything in terms of noise, it featured a suppressor produced onto the gun, and the slide lock was made to come up after every shot, eliminating noise from the cycling, so the only noise produced was the short, suppressed, subsonic thunk from the shot. So if it is going to be included, this may be the only 'fair' gun in Zomboid, because every zombie apparently has the hearing of a pack of elephants and will swarm from Muldraugh to West Point if you so much as fire a single pistol shot. And that's just the base game. Venting about the long term ineffectiveness of firearms aside, the gun weighs 1.9 lbs features a 14 round 9x19mm Parabellum magazine, but was also produced in .40 SW. Now this might be sounding pretty OP, but here's the catch, in exchange for next to no noise at all, remember that the slide lock comes up after every shot, requiring the shooter to extract the spent casing by hand, release the slide lock and then pull the slide all the way back to chamber the next round. According to Tom H Keith, a former Navy SEAL who served during the Vietnam War and used the weapon regularly, stated that regardless of any practicing with the weapon, the fastest interval between shots any of the SEALs could pull off was 4 seconds. That should make it even, and adding a very skill based 9 not literal aiming skill, as in actual player skill 0 weapon mechanic for this gun, having to plan each shot very carefully to successfully utilize the weapon properly without alerting zombies, in addition to making the player have to consider whether or not that moment is the opportune time to fire, the amount of zed in the area and the next movements they should make to avoid them until the next shot is ready to fire. I think this would make a very balanced weapon, hell, might even make TIS proud for having a gun that requires thought to use and is also fair for the player to use.

 

HDM - This gun was around before the Hush Puppy came in to replace during Vietnam, it was used by the OSS, CIA and during the Cold and Gulf Wars. It features and internal suppressor which reportedly reduced sound output by a whopping 20 decibels. It's a semi auto design, less quiet than the Hush Puppy because the slide works normally, fires .22LR from a 10 round magazine and has fixed sights, so it's not necessarily a marksman gun.

 

 

Okay, for the last 10 guns, I'm just gonna free form it, no theme, just guns.

 

Colt Woodsman - This fairly common semi auto .22LR design was first patented during WWI and production was continued into the late 70's for small game hunting. Its lightweight, compact design 9 1.85 lbs 0 also earned the acclaim of the US military which ordered them during both World Wars. No effective range could be found, but keep in mind this was marketed as a marksman pistol and was used for competition shooting during the early WWII era. Also let it be noted that the Woodsman and the HDM share the same magazine.

 

Brownie - A Mossberg design, this quad barreled pocket pistol was chambered in .22LR, weighs .7 lbs, double action. Obviously, not a super accurate thing, just a little gun. Made way before the COP .357 came out, which raises the idea that maybe this was the inspiration for such a unique gun.

 

Mossberg 464 - Nothing particularly fancy here, just a .22LR lever action, still being produced today, she weighs 5.7 lbs and can hold up to 13 rounds. Barrel is blued steel, like was the fashion of the 1800's, put it in common, put it in rare, can't go wrong either way. Still, lever actions are pretty cool, and it's fairly popular among nostalgia seekers.

 

Governor - Snub nosed SW Z frame design, this multi caliber gun purposed for home defense is a nice little piece. She weighs 1.8 lbs, and can fire .410 bore, .45 ACP and .45 Colt, which makes it a useful little tool, it's a double action and has blade/notch sights, but being manufactured for the purpose of home defense with a snub, it won't have super human accuracy, but it'll get the job done, especially when it's loaded with that .410.

 

Model 52, Model 952 - Weighing in at 2.5 lbs, this SW semi auto design bears a strikingly similar 9 and attractive 0 appearance to the Hush Puppy, but is chambered in .38 Special. It's short recoil and has a surprisingly small 5 round magazine. Another little pistol to decrease the likelihood of getting another Beretta 92F. The Model 952 is an updated variant of the Model 52 chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum featuring a 9 round magazine and a longer barrel for more precise shooting. It weighs 3 lbs and is still being produced today, having been unveiled in 2006.

 

Model 317 Kit - SW double action, 8 round cylinder, double action. Need I say more 9 actually, yes that's next to no information 0 anyway it fires .22LR, has adjustable sights giving it a slight accuracy advantage over a few other revolvers, and weighs an astonishingly low .75 lbs. Sounds like a pretty good deal, light, compact, accurate and quieter than all the screaming high caliber revolvers at the cost of damage. Keep in mind that Kit is just part of the name, it does not actually have anything to do with any kits.

 

R51 - Drawing from John Pederson's design, this 9x19mm Parabellum semi auto pistol has a similar appearance to the Walther PPK but features a unique 'hesitation locked action' developed by John Pederson, who was considered by John Moses Browning as the best firearms designer of his time. It has a weight of 1.4 lbs, a magazine capacity of 7, and has adjustable sights. Remington has plans to release it in .40 SW and .45 ACP but as that has not occurred yet, it cannot be suggested for those calibers.

 

Nylon 66 - Remington took a big gamble which paid off massively with this mostly synthetic gun, being produced from the late 50's to late 80's, many did not trust the synthetic parts and preferred wood frames and metallic parts. However because of the synthetic parts, it was able to be used very reliably in colder and more humid regions which led to its huge commercial success. Anyway, it's a .22LR, weighs 4 lbs, and holds 14 rounds in a magazine tube.

 

And of course, the final gun, one that has to be something so utterly insane, cool and extraordinarily rare. And for the sake of accurately conveying how awesome it is, I won't be analytical or restrain excitement and crass language, profanity will not be watched for this one.

 

CONVERTED AXE GUN -  Yes, you may release your orgasms, this gun is exactly what it sounds like  . Originally produced in 17th century Germany, as a flintlock handgun design, a firearms company reproduces them in .22LR. To clarify, this is not an axe that has been converted to a gun, this is a gun with an axe built onto it, not a removable bayonet. It is still a single shot design, and accuracy may be a bit off if you're trying to one hand it, on account of the weight of a GODDAMN HATCHET on your gun. While it is only produced in .22LR nowadays, considering what it is, I'd like to argue that if it does get put in; put it in as something like a .500 SW, .50AE or .50 BMG, some absurdly large and damaging caliber considering it only holds one shot and can't be used as a gun effectively in one hand 9 also saying you have a .50 caliber axe sounds a lot cooler than a .22 caliber axe   0. This sexy lil' mama weighs 4 lbs, is somewhat dangerous to reload considering that the break action pushes the axe towards the shooter. Now when it is used as an axe, I think it should degrade much faster considering that the grip is being swung to smash the hatchet at the end of the barrel into something, endangering it of breaking in half, although I do think the gun itself should be pretty durable considering how insanely rare these things are. I think that's pretty much it, the option to use it as an axe is there, although it should degrade faster when used as such because that's a lot of physical abuse on the gun, and because of the rarity it should be a pretty durable build. In conclusion this is the epitome of the 'COME GET SOME, FUCKER' guns. I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message. 9

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and here's some proof that this thing exists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_sword

 

P.S Have fun seeing if this can fit in a quote, and I apologize to the in game model maker, he's got a lot of work ahead of him XD

 

And I understand I'm the ultimate towel boy at this point haha.

[KINGKICKASS1552]

Also I'd like to report that the Mosin Nagant is not the only gun that can be used for the ammo duplication exploit, it can be done with any two guns that use magazines and cannot have ammo loaded any other way. 9 Ex; the AWP will not will work for the glitch because it can be loaded directly into the gun when the magazine is loaded 0 And not only does it continually produce ammo, it also completely refills guns instantly.

 

Okay, I think I've figured it out and I know how to perform the glitch to produce any compatible ammo type, for the sake of not 'ruining the experience' I can disclose the details privately, furthermore I think I understand what causes the glitch and will attempt to fix it myself some time this week. Should my assumptions be correct, I think I can fix it and offer it to you.

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Can you add crossbows and bows? but you may change the mod name to ORMtnMan's Real Weapons mod

[Bourbon]

While I may be a bit late to say so, I would like to take a very brief moment to say congratulations on the mod spotlight; that's a pretty huge achievement having the developers of the game acknowledge how massive and how much work and dedication you've put forth into the mod, so much so that they would interview you, that's a pretty big honor. On tap today is nothing necessarily crazy, although there has to be some unusual suggestions, otherwise it just plain wouldn't be my suggestion, it'd be like Jimi Hendrix without the distortion sound or drugs. And please, feel free to shoot some of these down if they're too obscure or rare, I completely understand that some of my suggestions are super rare and damn near impossible to find or ammo scarcity or other people just plain wouldn't want them, as far as I'm concerned these are just suggestions to add, not obligations, also I'm gonna try to get Webley's and add another new ammo type in this one. Now what I'm set on doing here is to create a gun suggestion so large it either A; hits some imposed character limit that is not currently known to me, or B; takes up an entire page. My only regret being that it will most likely not be page 69 9 giggity 0. So less talk, more rock, I'll get right into it.

 

Mare's Leg - I'm honestly kicking myself for not thinking this up earlier, it's a gun that's been in nearly every wild west themed shooter, and I'm sure we're all familiar to a degree with it. In essence, it is a sawed down lever action rifle 9 and also sawed down lever action shotguns, but seeing as there's already the option to saw down a Winchester 1887, there's no real point to making a shotgun version, unless you would like to 0 Because 'Mare's Leg' is a broad term, like DW PPC revolvers, I'll refer specifically to the new Chiappa Mare's Legs which are sawed down 1892 lever actions. They are 5.5 lbs, can be chambered in .357 and .44 magnum and both can hold 5 shots plus one in the chamber. The barrel is one foot long, and the stock and frame of the gun are another foot bringing it to a compact package of two feet, one handed fury. I suppose I'd want to see it just because I've been playing a fair amount of old west games, and who can say they don't want to be a badass dead-eye gunslinger of the zombie apocalypse/

 

 

REMINGTON 1740 - So remember a while back when I suggested the AF2011A1 9 which I had noticed that and a few other of my suggestions were being discussed   0 shameful pride of no actual work aside, I think you'll like this a bit better. Now I'm all for a double 1911, that's arguably the best pistol to make 2 of and then put in 1 gun. But how about if we took it a step further and did that exact idea with a goddamn shotgun/ now that's a wee bit more fun now, innit/ haha. Now what it is, it's essentially the same thing as the AF2011A1 only done with 2 Remington 870's instead of 1911's. Obviously, this gun is really rare, considering that gunsmiths make these as private, custom orders, or backyard engineers make them after having to contact the ATF; but they do exist and to a number that is reasonable enough 9 and especially in Kentucky, that's definitely where you would find a few of these 0 to be found in the game and the real world, although with plenty of digging. all the stats are inherent of what can be assumed; it's double the weight of an 870, double the capacity although it is done with two separate magazine tubes and one pump, much like the DP12. Either way, you could probably just have both of them function as shotguns with 16 shell tubes instead of 8; Regardless, it'd be a badass weapon, and a hell of a lot of fun to use. 

 

 

Winchester Model 101 - If it wasn't blatantly obvious, I like shotguns, I really, really love them, especially in Zomboid because of their incredible consistent reliability, even at low aiming levels. However, all the same, I feel as though there is such an imbalance between over-under and side-by-side shotguns in this mod; not that it really matters anyway, but Engineer's Law 9 for those unfamiliar with Team Fortress, it is 'Use More Gun.', and that same mettle applies to the above suggestion 0. The Model 101 is much like the Model 21 in that it is a luxury double barrel, is held in high regards for its accuracy and is produced by Winchester. Now for the actual stats, it's 12g weighs 8 lbs and is made of polished Belgian wood with an engraved nickel plated receiver 9 it's a pretty, shiny gun 0. I believe as I said last time for a reason wanting one of these luxury shotguns in the game was that who doesn't want to kill zombies, and be a classy sophisticate while doing so. 'Genteel and certainly not gentle.'

 

Next up I have a few guns from the same general family that are produced in a myriad of calibers, though they might get a bit confusing with all the caliber variants, so put in what you like, or don't if you don't. All of them have polymer grips, but as a  9 lore friendly, and I know lore is not the scope of the mod, that's just gravy at this point 0 production stunt in 1991 by Heckler Koch, some 500 of each of these guns were produced with genuine wooden marksman grips, which would be a really cool rare variant version of these common guns.

 

P7M13 - a HK design, this piece came to be during the M9 trials, it is a gas delayed semi auto system boasting a unique appearance, a weight of 1.9 lbs, a 13 round 9x19 Parabellum magazine, a very simple, very affordable design which is why I propose that it and other variants of the P7 design be civilian commons, because I have so many Beretta 92F's that I have one for every container in the West Point police station armory and adjacent office. 9 really not sure why but it just spawns so much more often than other civilian common pistols, and the magazines spawn like hotcakes sell 0 Now according to the website, it did say this weapon had a problem with durability but that Heckler-Koch provided tool kits to keep it in good repair, so having this weapon degrade slightly faster than other pistols would be a good touch.

 

P7K3 - weighing in at 1.75 lbs, this gun can be chambered in .22LR, .32 ACP and .380 ACP, which covers some ammo types that I had to work to find guns for. This gun sports an 8 round single stack magazine, a semi auto design and a fix to the degradation issue that the former model above had, in addition, the gun can be converted very easily between the calibers with a kit. I know these descriptions are getting to be pretty barebone but what else is there to say, German semi auto, calibers, capacity, weight, think that covers all bases, except fire rate, the P7K3 is a straight blowback rather than gas delay, so take from that what you will.

 

P7M10 - 2.5 lbs, chambered in .40 SW 9 I apologize for my lack of a shift key, all the capitals are just double tapping the caps lock key 0 features a 10 round magazine, semi auto gas delay design, pretty solid weapon likely to be found as personal and home defense weapon, good design, good feel, and an overall unique weapon that I would love to see in the game. Finally a breath of fresh air from the 'handgun metagame' where all the guns look like the same bland, boring design

 

 

And now here's some cool weapons from the Old Country.

 

Beretta Model 38 - Here's the rare find of the day, nothing super wild though, save that for a little further down the line; This is a weapon that time forgot, made before the war, 1938, this Italian stallion 9x19 Parabellum blowback design is fully automatic, has a 270 yd effective range, weighs in at 9.2 lbs and fires at 600 rounds per minute. Pretty good for something that saw such few years of action. And it comes in two particular variants, same caliber, just different stocks and grips. The 38-2 features a fixed wood stock and frame which very nicely compliments the perforated, recoil compensated barrel; these were originally produced at the beginning of the war before the Italian military had to opt for the 38-3, the cheap, 'cut corners' version. They take box magazines that can hold anywhere from 20 to 40 rounds. The 38-3 features less accuracy, worse durability 9 from cheap parts 0, lighter weight 9 due to its pistol grip/MP-40 esque folding stock 0 But still, very cool looking weapon, and one that can perform as well. 

 

FAMARS Rombo - The old adage says 'There's always a bigger fish' and this is living proof. Remember that Chiappa Triple/ Well here's the answer to it; 3 < 4. That's right, a quad barreled shotgun, in a breathtakingly beautiful package 9 go ahead give it a look up 0 While I try not be an advertisement for the guns I suggest, there must be description to convey extremes. A walnut stock with the most intricate engravings and carvings all along the barrel, trigger and frame, but enough swooning. The gun weighs 7.5 lbs, features a unique firing system, which to my understanding, as long as the trigger is pulled, will fire all four barrels one after the other, break action, made in .410 bore 9 and should the time come when it is suggested, 28 gauge 0 

 

Villar Perosa - Now, of course this suggestion is not for the original Villar Perosa which weighed 14 lbs and was meant to be used as a mounted gun; this is for the second iteration of it which weighed at a nicer 9 lbs and was suited for 'walking fire'. For those familiar with the term, that's a dead giveaway that this is a WWI weapon, but what they may not know is that this is the second iteration of the first submachine gun ever made. Now the bullets it shot 9 9mm Glisenti 0 are discontinued, but manufactured by one remaining company from time to time. But that's a shot in the dark, however many historians and collectors have documented and own Perosas converted to 9x19 Parabellum. So of course, this weapon is exceedingly rare, put it in or leave it out at your discretion, rarity is that much affecting the availability. But on the off chance that's not overly discouraging, here's the down low on the weapon; it's a double barrel, dual top mounted magazine with a built in bipod, which were sometimes sawed down as to be used as grips when there was nothing to mount it onto, has an effective range of 2,000 yards. Now if this doesn't sound sketchy, or like a terrible idea, allow me to terrify everyone and save this suggestion from the scrap bin; This, the world's FIRST submachine gun which held mere 25 round magazines FIRED AT A RATE OF 3,000 ROUNDS PER MINUTE. Now you do the math, if it holds 2 25 round magazines at a time, 3000/60 = 50 rounds. In a matter of a single second, both magazines are completely emptied in that time period. Let that sink in next time you're completely surrounded by a dense horde closing in from all directions in the dead of night. 1 second.

 

Beretta M1934 - weighing in at 1.45 lbs this blowback semi automatic, hailed for its extreme durability was mass produced in time for WWII and used accordingly by both the Axis and Allied sides. Its magazine can hold 7 .380 ACP rounds, plus one in the chamber makes a total capacity of 8 rounds. It is an incredibly small pistol making it perfect for quick, run and gun situations for unskilled shooters and a good pocket defense weapon for WWII enthusiasts making it fairly available but not super widespread. 

 

Beretta M1951 - 1.9 lbs of short recoil semi automatic 9x19mm Parabellum. Holding a 10 round magazine with sights fixed for 50m this is another perfect example of low skill requiring run and gun shooter. It's another typical common pistol for the average Zomboid survivalist. The reason why I'm suggesting the '34 and the '51 here are just comparing the appearance and performance of them to the HL1 pistol, they are perfect dead ringers for each other, and I think it'd be pretty awesome to take a piece of the Freeman Fury into Zomboid.

 

LF-57 - I managed to find this after accidentally deleting all my work on a previous attempt at a suggestion and am ecstatic that I was able to discover it once more, but enough tangent, here's the skinny on this badass Italian sub. 9 the lead spitter, not delicious kind 0 This pretty mama weighs in at 7 lbs, she spits 9x19 Parabellum at a rate of 500 rpm from a 20 or 40 round magazine. Now here's the kicker because I feel this is quickly becoming the 9x19mm/Italy/Skrub at shooting suggestion. This weapon's sights are fixed in for a mere 25m, so again another skrub shooter, but an interesting gun nonetheless, using a very common ammo type.

 

Okay so now that those parameters have been exhausted from this suggestion, seeing as there were quite a few weapons that met those, and there are infinitely more, I'll stay away from those for the rest of the time. Let's talk about the wonder weapons of the west; revolvers.

 

Colt Double Eagle - 9 not a revolver, but I'm a dick anyway 0 Again, this is another one of the multiple caliber production weapons, but I will not be suggesting the .45 ACP or 9mm variants because there's already the standard M1911 and the Springfield Armory 9mm, and I should also say that the .38 Super variant has already been added under the name of Colt Commander Super 38 but I'd like to throw the 10mm Auto and the .40 SW variants in the ring, because I was able to find the ammo for the guns, but no guns of that took it in my time playing. Weighs 2.6 lbs and has 8 round magazines across the board with an effective range of 50m and a maximum range of 70m.

 

Colt Trooper -Here's another like the above, but it's a double action revolver, infamously known to have a stiff double action trigger pull, 6 cylinder, weighs anywhere from 2.2 to 3.5 lbs from a 4 inch to 8 inch barrel, produced in .22LR, .38 Special, and of course by extension, .357 Magnum and it also came in .22 winmag. This here along with a few other revolvers, which I'll also recommend because revolvers are just fantastic and simple machines were made specifically with the average policeman and highway state trooper in mind, and being produced in the first half half of the 20th century, as was the fashion of the time, it is blued steel with a nice wood grip

 

Colt Thunderer - This here is a historical piece and part of a new ammo type I'd like to bring to the mod, the previously discontinued .41 Long Colt; previously discontinued being that officially, Colt stopped making them but gunsmiths and experienced handloaders everywhere continue to make mints from producing the round 9 with 50 round boxes being valued at around 65 dollars, but real sharks charge the same for half as many. 0 Quick history brief, back in 1877 9 which is the real name of the gun, the Model 1877 but this one and the other two were given nicknames like 'lightning' and 'rainmaker' and this one being 'thunderer' that all stuck on so well, it kind of became the official name for them, and it sounds much more inspired too. 0 Colt wanted to make a gun for everybody, one for the law, one for the robbed shopkeep and even one for those who worked on the opposite side of the law, essentially, they wanted everybody to have a Colt so they could stick it to Winchester and any other company, so they specifically made the .41 Long Colt just for the Thunderer and over the years, it grew and grew and grew. But onto the stats, the meat of any good suggestion, if you will; weighs 2.5 lbs with a 4.5 inch barrel, has a fixed cylinder, is technically a double action, 9 but the double action is known for being completely godawful on this one, even attempting to use it can cause the gun to break down, and also has a reputation for being incredibly difficult to repair, often being called 'gunsmith's favorite' so it's better used single action 0 Now needless to say, .41 is a decently sized round, and considering the time it was manufactured, you can bet safely that it's a subsonic round, in layman's terms big and slow bullet = Big damage.

 

There was no data to be found on accuracy but given that this, like the Peacemaker 9 Colt SAA 0 it has only a front sight, so make of that what you will, and know that trained shooters will work the single action considerably faster than a double action can fire 9 Just look up Bob Munden single action and then compare it to Miculek fastest revolver shooting 0, so if the .41 Long Colt is to be considered, those should definitely represent two big factors, the damage of the round being superior and the fire rate being better for more experienced shooters, with the trade off of the scarcity of the ammo, it's for the big league players in the ballpark, essentially. Fun fact  - This was the gun Billy the Kid wore.

 

Colt M1892 - Made for the US Army and Navy of 1892, this double action swing out 6 cylinder .41 Long Colt revolver weighs in at 2.07 lbs comes with a 6 inch barrel on a blued frame. Although it did also come in civilian models which featured nickel plating instead of the authority blue steel. Pretty cool gun, also made in .38 Long Colt, but that caliber can go hide in the cupboard until we need it.

 

Colt M1889 - Theodore Roosevelt once wielded this swinging double action 6 cylinder revolver produced in .41 Long Colt. This gun typically featured the military/police blue steel finish with rubber grips, while the civilian variant featured the blue steel finish with walnut grips. Back to the actual stats, it weighs in, 9 unloaded weight 0 oddly enough at 2.07 lbs much like the 1892 model. Now this gun was a bit of a problem child, being the first revolver Colt produced that spun counter clockwise, they were still working out the kinks, mainly that because the design lacked a center pin and cylinder, the cylinder could actually move out of alignment when firing, which makes for quite an Achille's heel, nonetheless though, it was still a weapon favored by the US Navy for the era.

 

Colt Police - This swinging double action six shooter was produced in 1927 in .22LR, .41 Long Colt and .38 Special 9 and by extension you could put .357 in there, but that's gonna degrade the hell out of it, like loading 5.56 in an .223 chamber, it's too hot and too high of a pressure. 0 with a 6 inch barrel she weighs 2.2 lbs, but if you want to put on a barrel that says that you're not compensating for anything, it'll weigh 1.95 lbs with the 2 inch barrel military model. This weapon truly exploded in popularity when it was produced, Colt then took it one step further by detailing the weapon, giving it that blue finish, checkering the trigger and hand polishing them before shipping them out, which sent the public into even more of a craze over these reliable machines. This gun would cement Colt's dominance over the law enforcement and military market, and it being such a popular weapon, I think it would be one of a more sensible suggestion that is rarely seen of my suggestions.

 

Colt New Service - This double action six shooter was produced in an incredible number of calibers including .45 Colt, .41 Long Colt, .357 Magnum 9 and of course by extension, .38 Special 0 .45 ACP and .455 Webley.  

 

Despite explicitly stating that Webley is too rare and won't be accepted, I believe I have some new information to shed some light on the matter and clear the way for the Webley's. There are two companies that make and ship .455 Webley rounds and casings internationally, Fiocchi and Hornady, so the ammunition is not dead. In addition, many handloaders improvise rounds by using .45 Colt casings, .452 bullet molds that don't even need to be jacketed and a good fitting primer, and you're in business, all that needs to be done is make a minor cut in length to the .45 Colt casing, and even then, others use .45 ACP to do the same, it just requires one more cut. So not only are the rounds still sold, you can make your own with with relative ease with a fair amount of elbow grease. The .455 Webley ammunition I would like to suggest are MKII's because MKIII's are a violation of the Hague's and Geneva Conventions for being ersatz hollow points being called 'manstoppers' , not to mention have never been produced since they were more or less internationally banned. Let me say real quickly these bullets are FUCKIN' FAT SLOW THINGS, with a velocity of only 190m/s which needs to be multiplied by  about 1.815 to even reach sonic speed, along with the fact that it is nearly a 1/2 inch diameter. Consider the sheer magnitude of the damage that this round can inflict even with the pointed tips of the MKII ammo. It's like that big ol' fat  meatball kid from your junior high school who takes 20 minutes to run the mile, all sweaty and Diabetes ridden, but still hilarious and lovable.  Now, back to the Colt New Service.

 

Over 356,000 were manufactured during the time it was produced, weight of 2.5 lbs with a 4 inch barrel, you can go about 2.9 with a flashy 6 inch. Like many of these other old timey revolvers in this suggestion, it features a fixed blade front sight with a notched rear sight. Again, with it being made in a veritable oasis of calibers, I think this would be a really good addition to the mod.

 

If the Webley round itself is to be accepted, I believe a few of the guns the bullet was designed for should probably be tossed in too

and if that's the case, I'll give some stats here.

 

Webley MKIV - began production in 1899, weighs 2.2 lbs with a 6 inch barrel, holds 6 rounds, double action; front break, a highly sought after classic weapon throughout English history, although not as popular as the MKVI. There are several companies that produce lookalikes and knockoffs 9 some even bearing imitation Webley markings 0 of the weapon chambered for .45 ACP and .38SW. Still a rare weapon in part of the actual rarity of the weapon, and the other contributing factor to the rarity being the ammunition, so it's a rare gun and a rare, albeit possible to reproduce ammo. Still something that would be really cool to have in the game.

 

Webley MKVI - the final iteration of the Webley revolver, began seeing manufacturing in 1915, during the Great War, and would not see a stop until 6 years after it ended, many British officers and even GI's would pick up the new Webley before shipping out just as a personal piece should they lose their issued weapon or find themselves in a tight spot, which is how the Webley came to be one of the most popular handguns in English history. Either way, the stats are as follows; weight is 2.4 lbs, fires up to 30 rounds per minute with a fixed blade-notch sight system, is a double action, so you can definitely spit out more than 30 rounds if you fan the hammer instead of the trigger. Now with all the stats out of the way, that leaves the reason for suggesting, and as I had said in my last suggestion, this is the Bioshock 1 pistol, and being such a huge fan of the series, I would love to see this in the game as much as I love shotguns.... And Jimi Hendrix.... And porn... yeah porn.

 

And on a side note, here's a shot in the dark for that crazy 24 shot mod from Bioshock for it, I understand that's definitely not realistic, and my thing with it is, if you don't, I certainly will, it's just too perfect of an opportunity to pass up.

 

Smith and Wesson Triple Lock - As the Webley became so incredibly popular during WWI, the manufacturers were having an incredibly hard time keeping up with orders. Enter Smith and Wesson, who was contracted by Webley initially to just produce cylinders for them. However, all while producing the cylinders, Smith and Wesson came up with a new design featuring those cylinders, informed Webley, who then told them to go ahead and show them what they had. Smith and Wesson 9 and I'm sorry for no ampersands, I again do not have a shift key 0 then showed them the Triple Lock, and Webley was very satisfied with it and ordered 5,000 and then another 10,000 after the commercial success of the weapon. Of the 15,376 produced, EVERY LAST ONE WAS SOLD. It is considered by many to be 'the finest revolver ever made'. History aside, time for the stats, weight of only 2 lbs with a full 6.5 inch barrel, so if you had a shorter barrel version it could weigh only 1.5 lbs, holds 6 .455 Webley rounds, double action, swinging cylinder. And of course being the largest database of information known to man, the internet had no effective or maximum range to offer for this weapon.

 

Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver - This incredibly rare treat of a revolver is absolutely fascinating, almost like a M1911 and a Webley combined. It is a recoil operated design, using the recoil to push the hammer back into the cocked position, break action holding 6 .455 Webley rounds. The cylinder features a tell tale zig zag pattern making this a visually appealing piece as well as functional, weighing in at 2.7 lbs, this revolver while ingenious in design, was really knocked by soldiers of WWI that claimed the recoil operated system would jam much more than other, simpler revolvers. This bad publicity really tarnished sales, with about 10,000 made, many of them remained unsold even into the beginning of WWII. 

 

Bottom line for Webleys; they're rare guns with rare ammo, but once you do get your hands on one, you'll be very satisfied with the damage capabilities of it and the accuracy of them, being preferred guns by marksmen of their time such as Walter Winans.

 

 

Honestly, I'm torn as whether or not I should suggest weapons that have no business being in the US, or any conventional US military and police forces. The only reason why other weapons and automatic weapons made outside the US are suggested is because it is plausible for veterans to bring them back as war trophies, and collectors can also buy them from internet auctions For now, I'll hold off on them, and if anyone 9 and I'm referring to all users of the mod, not just casually addressing the Mountain Man, which is a pretty bad habit, that and referring to myself, which I'm doing right now and will continue to do with incredible frequency 0 has any opinions on whether or not they would want those weapons in the mod, and everyone's opinion matters and ultimately it comes down to the developer of the mod, but getting everyone's input would be a valuable asset.

 

Nonetheless here's a few rifles, and I did try to find more for older calibers like .30-06 and .303 before caving into 5.56 and 7.62.

 

M1941 'Betsy' - Made during the M1 trials, this carbine sports a 10 round rotary magazine which is reloaded using .30-06 clips. It features adjustable sights and a short recoil operating system in a package weighing 9.5 lbs. This rifle is a highly sought after WWII enthusiast's firearm, with about 70,000 produced during the time, it has become a collectable of sorts, and although it was rejected by the US military for not being able to withstand the Herculean torture tests the Garand did, many point out that what it lacks in durability to match the Garand, it does have a higher capacity and notably less recoil.

 

Winchester 1895 - Noted that the Russian variant has already been suggested, but there are so many more ammo types for this gun, it would just be strange to not have it in them. Stats will not be provided other than the other ammo types as the last suggester is assumed to have covered those bases. The gun was also produced in .30-06 and .303 British, both rounds that could probably use some more guns for.

 

 

Jungle Carbine - The Lee Enfield No. 5 MKI, better known as the 'Jungle Carbine', produced in .303 British, this bolt action rifle is essentially a lightweight version of the Lee Enfield No.4, it saw action through many dense brush environments all over the world by all kinds of militaries. But again with the history, here's the down low, weighs 7 lbs, comes with a flash suppressor built into the gun, has a 10 round magazine which is reloaded with charger clips and can spit out anywhere from 20 to 30 rounds per minute and has an effective range of 500 yards and a maximum range of 800 yards.

 

Bushmaster M17S - This Aussie semi automatic bullpup design fires 5.56 and by extension, .223's and is legal here in the States, because that Assault Weapons Ban is a really annoying thing to get around and put good, reliable weapons in the mod. Weighs 8.2 lbs, and takes STANAG mags, another convenience of the gun; just another rifle that isn't an M16 or an M4, I'd suppose.

 

Bushmaster Arm Pistol - Despite having 'pistol' in the name, officially this is recognized as a short rifle, and I include this only because the production number was never mentioned, so it doesn't feel wrong to say that this was produced in reasonable enough numbers to be found in game. Chambered in 5.56, so it can also fire .223's, weighs 5.25 lbs, and is a fully automatic design.

 

M60 Reising Rifle, M65 Reising - Originally designed as a submachine gun in trials for a bunker sweeper, 9 which as history would show, the Thompson would win that one 0 this semi automatic assault rifle is chambered in .45 ACP using a 20 round magazine, weighs 6.2 lbs and has a maximum firing range of 300 yards. In addition, another model, the M65 was produced in .22LR using the same base design.

 

M50 Reising, - This weapon is the submachine gun mentioned above, and shares the same weight and caliber of the M60 Reising, only difference being the automatic firing system, which operates at 550 rounds per minute.

 

Alright 19 guns to go; That should bring the total up to 50/ I believe; At this point I'm not even going for any limit, I'm going for an update being comprised of only my suggestions. 

 

Welcome to the Jungle, more specifically a southeast Asian jungle, the next round of guns are all from 'Nam.

 

M42 - This American made 9x19mm Parabellum submachine gun came to be in a shortage of Thompson subs for the Navy during WWII, as such this stepped in to fill the niche of the shorted weapon. It weighs 10 lbs even, fires at a rate of 700 rounds per minute, holds a 25 round magazine and features fixed sights, so a shooter doesn't exactly need to be an expert marksman to hit anything in particular.

 

Swedish K - How does a Swedish weapon find its way to America/ Answer; Vietnam. This 9x19mm Parabellum was designed in 1945 by Swedish inventor Carl Gustav, the weapon is known technically as the M/45, but has come to be known as the Swedish K. It weighs 7.4 lbs, holds 36 rounds in the magazine and fires at a rate of 600 rounds per minute.It features a straight blowback system and has an effective range of 250 meters. 9 And yes, this is the lightning round of suggestions, right to the point. 0

 

STEN - So taking a look around the suggestions, I saw that for whatever reason the STEN gun wasn't in there, and it just seemed really strange that nobody else had said anything about it, so I'll take care of that. Now most of the guns I suggest have production numbers in between 20,000 and 50,000 but compared to those, the STEN gun is downright common with 4.2 million produced, with more being produced every day; it is still being made. Anyway, she weighs 7.1 lbs, 9x19mm Parabellum, 32 round magazine, 550 rounds per minute sights fixed for 100 meters. Easily available to veterans, historians and collectors, it's fairly common to those types, so why not have it be a little more available 9 but as per usual, not everywhere 0; I keep finding P90's and Vectors anyway.

 

F1 - This, like the other two above is a 'Nam baby so to speak, and this is a really remarkable, interesting design, give it a look up, really cool looking weapon, but let's get right to it. Weighs 8.1 lbs, 9x19mm Parabellum, 620 rpm, 150m effective range, 34 round Sterling magazine, this beaut was used by the Aussie's when those FAL's couldn't cut it tight enough.

 

Sterling L2A3, Sterling L3A4 - This improvement on the STEN gun weighs in at 6 lbs, fires 9x19 Parabellum at a rate of 550 rounds per minute for both models. The split being the L2A3 does not have an internal suppressor while the more advanced L3A4 and all subsequent models sport an internal suppressor. The L2 has an effective range of 220 yards while the L3 has an effective range of 110 yards. So the tradeoff for low noise emission is range, which seems pretty fair. Also, if the weapon seems familiar, that is because this gun was the base for the Star Wars E11 9 Storm Trooper 0 Blaster Rifles.

 

Sterling 7.62 - Produced in the 1950's Cold War era, this 7.62x51mm battle rifle version of the Sterling submachine gun, it features the same weight and fire rate as the subs, was only made with the internal suppressors and took 20 round magazines and 30 round Bren gun magazines. No effective range was provided, but considering that it's a full rifle instead of the sub variant, but still has the suppressor, around 155 yards should do it.

 

HUSH PUPPY - This is not the standard SW Model 39, this is the SW Model 39 MK22 Mod 0, better known as the Hush Puppy. During the Vietnam War, US SOG troops would utilize this dead silent weapon to pick off stragglers and guard dogs without alerting the primary target. Now, the question might be 'how quiet exactly is this/' the answer; the gun had accounted for everything in terms of noise, it featured a suppressor produced onto the gun, and the slide lock was made to come up after every shot, eliminating noise from the cycling, so the only noise produced was the short, suppressed, subsonic thunk from the shot. So if it is going to be included, this may be the only 'fair' gun in Zomboid, because every zombie apparently has the hearing of a pack of elephants and will swarm from Muldraugh to West Point if you so much as fire a single pistol shot. And that's just the base game. Venting about the long term ineffectiveness of firearms aside, the gun weighs 1.9 lbs features a 14 round 9x19mm Parabellum magazine, but was also produced in .40 SW. Now this might be sounding pretty OP, but here's the catch, in exchange for next to no noise at all, remember that the slide lock comes up after every shot, requiring the shooter to extract the spent casing by hand, release the slide lock and then pull the slide all the way back to chamber the next round. According to Tom H Keith, a former Navy SEAL who served during the Vietnam War and used the weapon regularly, stated that regardless of any practicing with the weapon, the fastest interval between shots any of the SEALs could pull off was 4 seconds. That should make it even, and adding a very skill based 9 not literal aiming skill, as in actual player skill 0 weapon mechanic for this gun, having to plan each shot very carefully to successfully utilize the weapon properly without alerting zombies, in addition to making the player have to consider whether or not that moment is the opportune time to fire, the amount of zed in the area and the next movements they should make to avoid them until the next shot is ready to fire. I think this would make a very balanced weapon, hell, might even make TIS proud for having a gun that requires thought to use and is also fair for the player to use.

 

HDM - This gun was around before the Hush Puppy came in to replace during Vietnam, it was used by the OSS, CIA and during the Cold and Gulf Wars. It features and internal suppressor which reportedly reduced sound output by a whopping 20 decibels. It's a semi auto design, less quiet than the Hush Puppy because the slide works normally, fires .22LR from a 10 round magazine and has fixed sights, so it's not necessarily a marksman gun.

 

 

Okay, for the last 10 guns, I'm just gonna free form it, no theme, just guns.

 

Colt Woodsman - This fairly common semi auto .22LR design was first patented during WWI and production was continued into the late 70's for small game hunting. Its lightweight, compact design 9 1.85 lbs 0 also earned the acclaim of the US military which ordered them during both World Wars. No effective range could be found, but keep in mind this was marketed as a marksman pistol and was used for competition shooting during the early WWII era. Also let it be noted that the Woodsman and the HDM share the same magazine.

 

Brownie - A Mossberg design, this quad barreled pocket pistol was chambered in .22LR, weighs .7 lbs, double action. Obviously, not a super accurate thing, just a little gun. Made way before the COP .357 came out, which raises the idea that maybe this was the inspiration for such a unique gun.

 

Mossberg 464 - Nothing particularly fancy here, just a .22LR lever action, still being produced today, she weighs 5.7 lbs and can hold up to 13 rounds. Barrel is blued steel, like was the fashion of the 1800's, put it in common, put it in rare, can't go wrong either way. Still, lever actions are pretty cool, and it's fairly popular among nostalgia seekers.

 

Governor - Snub nosed SW Z frame design, this multi caliber gun purposed for home defense is a nice little piece. She weighs 1.8 lbs, and can fire .410 bore, .45 ACP and .45 Colt, which makes it a useful little tool, it's a double action and has blade/notch sights, but being manufactured for the purpose of home defense with a snub, it won't have super human accuracy, but it'll get the job done, especially when it's loaded with that .410.

 

Model 52, Model 952 - Weighing in at 2.5 lbs, this SW semi auto design bears a strikingly similar 9 and attractive 0 appearance to the Hush Puppy, but is chambered in .38 Special. It's short recoil and has a surprisingly small 5 round magazine. Another little pistol to decrease the likelihood of getting another Beretta 92F. The Model 952 is an updated variant of the Model 52 chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum featuring a 9 round magazine and a longer barrel for more precise shooting. It weighs 3 lbs and is still being produced today, having been unveiled in 2006.

 

Model 317 Kit - SW double action, 8 round cylinder, double action. Need I say more 9 actually, yes that's next to no information 0 anyway it fires .22LR, has adjustable sights giving it a slight accuracy advantage over a few other revolvers, and weighs an astonishingly low .75 lbs. Sounds like a pretty good deal, light, compact, accurate and quieter than all the screaming high caliber revolvers at the cost of damage. Keep in mind that Kit is just part of the name, it does not actually have anything to do with any kits.

 

R51 - Drawing from John Pederson's design, this 9x19mm Parabellum semi auto pistol has a similar appearance to the Walther PPK but features a unique 'hesitation locked action' developed by John Pederson, who was considered by John Moses Browning as the best firearms designer of his time. It has a weight of 1.4 lbs, a magazine capacity of 7, and has adjustable sights. Remington has plans to release it in .40 SW and .45 ACP but as that has not occurred yet, it cannot be suggested for those calibers.

 

Nylon 66 - Remington took a big gamble which paid off massively with this mostly synthetic gun, being produced from the late 50's to late 80's, many did not trust the synthetic parts and preferred wood frames and metallic parts. However because of the synthetic parts, it was able to be used very reliably in colder and more humid regions which led to its huge commercial success. Anyway, it's a .22LR, weighs 4 lbs, and holds 14 rounds in a magazine tube.

 

And of course, the final gun, one that has to be something so utterly insane, cool and extraordinarily rare. And for the sake of accurately conveying how awesome it is, I won't be analytical or restrain excitement and crass language, profanity will not be watched for this one.

 

CONVERTED AXE GUN -  Yes, you may release your orgasms, this gun is exactly what it sounds like  . Originally produced in 17th century Germany, as a flintlock handgun design, a firearms company reproduces them in .22LR. To clarify, this is not an axe that has been converted to a gun, this is a gun with an axe built onto it, not a removable bayonet. It is still a single shot design, and accuracy may be a bit off if you're trying to one hand it, on account of the weight of a GODDAMN HATCHET on your gun. While it is only produced in .22LR nowadays, considering what it is, I'd like to argue that if it does get put in; put it in as something like a .500 SW, .50AE or .50 BMG, some absurdly large and damaging caliber considering it only holds one shot and can't be used as a gun effectively in one hand 9 also saying you have a .50 caliber axe sounds a lot cooler than a .22 caliber axe   0. This sexy lil' mama weighs 4 lbs, is somewhat dangerous to reload considering that the break action pushes the axe towards the shooter. Now when it is used as an axe, I think it should degrade much faster considering that the grip is being swung to smash the hatchet at the end of the barrel into something, endangering it of breaking in half, although I do think the gun itself should be pretty durable considering how insanely rare these things are. I think that's pretty much it, the option to use it as an axe is there, although it should degrade faster when used as such because that's a lot of physical abuse on the gun, and because of the rarity it should be a pretty durable build. In conclusion this is the epitome of the 'COME GET SOME, FUCKER' guns. I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message. 9

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and here's some proof that this thing exists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_sword

 

P.S Have fun seeing if this can fit in a quote, and I apologize to the in game model maker, he's got a lot of work ahead of him XD

 

And I understand I'm the ultimate towel boy at this point haha.

 

Did I really read all of this?!?! Oh Boy, I need a hobby.

 

I am going to quote you. I  want to see what happens.

[KINGKICKASS1552]

 

While I may be a bit late to say so, I would like to take a very brief moment to say congratulations on the mod spotlight; that's a pretty huge achievement having the developers of the game acknowledge how massive and how much work and dedication you've put forth into the mod, so much so that they would interview you, that's a pretty big honor. On tap today is nothing necessarily crazy, although there has to be some unusual suggestions, otherwise it just plain wouldn't be my suggestion, it'd be like Jimi Hendrix without the distortion sound or drugs. And please, feel free to shoot some of these down if they're too obscure or rare, I completely understand that some of my suggestions are super rare and damn near impossible to find or ammo scarcity or other people just plain wouldn't want them, as far as I'm concerned these are just suggestions to add, not obligations, also I'm gonna try to get Webley's and add another new ammo type in this one. Now what I'm set on doing here is to create a gun suggestion so large it either A; hits some imposed character limit that is not currently known to me, or B; takes up an entire page. My only regret being that it will most likely not be page 69 9 giggity 0. So less talk, more rock, I'll get right into it.

 

Mare's Leg - I'm honestly kicking myself for not thinking this up earlier, it's a gun that's been in nearly every wild west themed shooter, and I'm sure we're all familiar to a degree with it. In essence, it is a sawed down lever action rifle 9 and also sawed down lever action shotguns, but seeing as there's already the option to saw down a Winchester 1887, there's no real point to making a shotgun version, unless you would like to 0 Because 'Mare's Leg' is a broad term, like DW PPC revolvers, I'll refer specifically to the new Chiappa Mare's Legs which are sawed down 1892 lever actions. They are 5.5 lbs, can be chambered in .357 and .44 magnum and both can hold 5 shots plus one in the chamber. The barrel is one foot long, and the stock and frame of the gun are another foot bringing it to a compact package of two feet, one handed fury. I suppose I'd want to see it just because I've been playing a fair amount of old west games, and who can say they don't want to be a badass dead-eye gunslinger of the zombie apocalypse/

 

 

REMINGTON 1740 - So remember a while back when I suggested the AF2011A1 9 which I had noticed that and a few other of my suggestions were being discussed   0 shameful pride of no actual work aside, I think you'll like this a bit better. Now I'm all for a double 1911, that's arguably the best pistol to make 2 of and then put in 1 gun. But how about if we took it a step further and did that exact idea with a goddamn shotgun/ now that's a wee bit more fun now, innit/ haha. Now what it is, it's essentially the same thing as the AF2011A1 only done with 2 Remington 870's instead of 1911's. Obviously, this gun is really rare, considering that gunsmiths make these as private, custom orders, or backyard engineers make them after having to contact the ATF; but they do exist and to a number that is reasonable enough 9 and especially in Kentucky, that's definitely where you would find a few of these 0 to be found in the game and the real world, although with plenty of digging. all the stats are inherent of what can be assumed; it's double the weight of an 870, double the capacity although it is done with two separate magazine tubes and one pump, much like the DP12. Either way, you could probably just have both of them function as shotguns with 16 shell tubes instead of 8; Regardless, it'd be a badass weapon, and a hell of a lot of fun to use. 

 

 

Winchester Model 101 - If it wasn't blatantly obvious, I like shotguns, I really, really love them, especially in Zomboid because of their incredible consistent reliability, even at low aiming levels. However, all the same, I feel as though there is such an imbalance between over-under and side-by-side shotguns in this mod; not that it really matters anyway, but Engineer's Law 9 for those unfamiliar with Team Fortress, it is 'Use More Gun.', and that same mettle applies to the above suggestion 0. The Model 101 is much like the Model 21 in that it is a luxury double barrel, is held in high regards for its accuracy and is produced by Winchester. Now for the actual stats, it's 12g weighs 8 lbs and is made of polished Belgian wood with an engraved nickel plated receiver 9 it's a pretty, shiny gun 0. I believe as I said last time for a reason wanting one of these luxury shotguns in the game was that who doesn't want to kill zombies, and be a classy sophisticate while doing so. 'Genteel and certainly not gentle.'

 

Next up I have a few guns from the same general family that are produced in a myriad of calibers, though they might get a bit confusing with all the caliber variants, so put in what you like, or don't if you don't. All of them have polymer grips, but as a  9 lore friendly, and I know lore is not the scope of the mod, that's just gravy at this point 0 production stunt in 1991 by Heckler Koch, some 500 of each of these guns were produced with genuine wooden marksman grips, which would be a really cool rare variant version of these common guns.

 

P7M13 - a HK design, this piece came to be during the M9 trials, it is a gas delayed semi auto system boasting a unique appearance, a weight of 1.9 lbs, a 13 round 9x19 Parabellum magazine, a very simple, very affordable design which is why I propose that it and other variants of the P7 design be civilian commons, because I have so many Beretta 92F's that I have one for every container in the West Point police station armory and adjacent office. 9 really not sure why but it just spawns so much more often than other civilian common pistols, and the magazines spawn like hotcakes sell 0 Now according to the website, it did say this weapon had a problem with durability but that Heckler-Koch provided tool kits to keep it in good repair, so having this weapon degrade slightly faster than other pistols would be a good touch.

 

P7K3 - weighing in at 1.75 lbs, this gun can be chambered in .22LR, .32 ACP and .380 ACP, which covers some ammo types that I had to work to find guns for. This gun sports an 8 round single stack magazine, a semi auto design and a fix to the degradation issue that the former model above had, in addition, the gun can be converted very easily between the calibers with a kit. I know these descriptions are getting to be pretty barebone but what else is there to say, German semi auto, calibers, capacity, weight, think that covers all bases, except fire rate, the P7K3 is a straight blowback rather than gas delay, so take from that what you will.

 

P7M10 - 2.5 lbs, chambered in .40 SW 9 I apologize for my lack of a shift key, all the capitals are just double tapping the caps lock key 0 features a 10 round magazine, semi auto gas delay design, pretty solid weapon likely to be found as personal and home defense weapon, good design, good feel, and an overall unique weapon that I would love to see in the game. Finally a breath of fresh air from the 'handgun metagame' where all the guns look like the same bland, boring design

 

 

And now here's some cool weapons from the Old Country.

 

Beretta Model 38 - Here's the rare find of the day, nothing super wild though, save that for a little further down the line; This is a weapon that time forgot, made before the war, 1938, this Italian stallion 9x19 Parabellum blowback design is fully automatic, has a 270 yd effective range, weighs in at 9.2 lbs and fires at 600 rounds per minute. Pretty good for something that saw such few years of action. And it comes in two particular variants, same caliber, just different stocks and grips. The 38-2 features a fixed wood stock and frame which very nicely compliments the perforated, recoil compensated barrel; these were originally produced at the beginning of the war before the Italian military had to opt for the 38-3, the cheap, 'cut corners' version. They take box magazines that can hold anywhere from 20 to 40 rounds. The 38-3 features less accuracy, worse durability 9 from cheap parts 0, lighter weight 9 due to its pistol grip/MP-40 esque folding stock 0 But still, very cool looking weapon, and one that can perform as well. 

 

FAMARS Rombo - The old adage says 'There's always a bigger fish' and this is living proof. Remember that Chiappa Triple/ Well here's the answer to it; 3 < 4. That's right, a quad barreled shotgun, in a breathtakingly beautiful package 9 go ahead give it a look up 0 While I try not be an advertisement for the guns I suggest, there must be description to convey extremes. A walnut stock with the most intricate engravings and carvings all along the barrel, trigger and frame, but enough swooning. The gun weighs 7.5 lbs, features a unique firing system, which to my understanding, as long as the trigger is pulled, will fire all four barrels one after the other, break action, made in .410 bore 9 and should the time come when it is suggested, 28 gauge 0 

 

Villar Perosa - Now, of course this suggestion is not for the original Villar Perosa which weighed 14 lbs and was meant to be used as a mounted gun; this is for the second iteration of it which weighed at a nicer 9 lbs and was suited for 'walking fire'. For those familiar with the term, that's a dead giveaway that this is a WWI weapon, but what they may not know is that this is the second iteration of the first submachine gun ever made. Now the bullets it shot 9 9mm Glisenti 0 are discontinued, but manufactured by one remaining company from time to time. But that's a shot in the dark, however many historians and collectors have documented and own Perosas converted to 9x19 Parabellum. So of course, this weapon is exceedingly rare, put it in or leave it out at your discretion, rarity is that much affecting the availability. But on the off chance that's not overly discouraging, here's the down low on the weapon; it's a double barrel, dual top mounted magazine with a built in bipod, which were sometimes sawed down as to be used as grips when there was nothing to mount it onto, has an effective range of 2,000 yards. Now if this doesn't sound sketchy, or like a terrible idea, allow me to terrify everyone and save this suggestion from the scrap bin; This, the world's FIRST submachine gun which held mere 25 round magazines FIRED AT A RATE OF 3,000 ROUNDS PER MINUTE. Now you do the math, if it holds 2 25 round magazines at a time, 3000/60 = 50 rounds. In a matter of a single second, both magazines are completely emptied in that time period. Let that sink in next time you're completely surrounded by a dense horde closing in from all directions in the dead of night. 1 second.

 

Beretta M1934 - weighing in at 1.45 lbs this blowback semi automatic, hailed for its extreme durability was mass produced in time for WWII and used accordingly by both the Axis and Allied sides. Its magazine can hold 7 .380 ACP rounds, plus one in the chamber makes a total capacity of 8 rounds. It is an incredibly small pistol making it perfect for quick, run and gun situations for unskilled shooters and a good pocket defense weapon for WWII enthusiasts making it fairly available but not super widespread. 

 

Beretta M1951 - 1.9 lbs of short recoil semi automatic 9x19mm Parabellum. Holding a 10 round magazine with sights fixed for 50m this is another perfect example of low skill requiring run and gun shooter. It's another typical common pistol for the average Zomboid survivalist. The reason why I'm suggesting the '34 and the '51 here are just comparing the appearance and performance of them to the HL1 pistol, they are perfect dead ringers for each other, and I think it'd be pretty awesome to take a piece of the Freeman Fury into Zomboid.

 

LF-57 - I managed to find this after accidentally deleting all my work on a previous attempt at a suggestion and am ecstatic that I was able to discover it once more, but enough tangent, here's the skinny on this badass Italian sub. 9 the lead spitter, not delicious kind 0 This pretty mama weighs in at 7 lbs, she spits 9x19 Parabellum at a rate of 500 rpm from a 20 or 40 round magazine. Now here's the kicker because I feel this is quickly becoming the 9x19mm/Italy/Skrub at shooting suggestion. This weapon's sights are fixed in for a mere 25m, so again another skrub shooter, but an interesting gun nonetheless, using a very common ammo type.

 

Okay so now that those parameters have been exhausted from this suggestion, seeing as there were quite a few weapons that met those, and there are infinitely more, I'll stay away from those for the rest of the time. Let's talk about the wonder weapons of the west; revolvers.

 

Colt Double Eagle - 9 not a revolver, but I'm a dick anyway 0 Again, this is another one of the multiple caliber production weapons, but I will not be suggesting the .45 ACP or 9mm variants because there's already the standard M1911 and the Springfield Armory 9mm, and I should also say that the .38 Super variant has already been added under the name of Colt Commander Super 38 but I'd like to throw the 10mm Auto and the .40 SW variants in the ring, because I was able to find the ammo for the guns, but no guns of that took it in my time playing. Weighs 2.6 lbs and has 8 round magazines across the board with an effective range of 50m and a maximum range of 70m.

 

Colt Trooper -Here's another like the above, but it's a double action revolver, infamously known to have a stiff double action trigger pull, 6 cylinder, weighs anywhere from 2.2 to 3.5 lbs from a 4 inch to 8 inch barrel, produced in .22LR, .38 Special, and of course by extension, .357 Magnum and it also came in .22 winmag. This here along with a few other revolvers, which I'll also recommend because revolvers are just fantastic and simple machines were made specifically with the average policeman and highway state trooper in mind, and being produced in the first half half of the 20th century, as was the fashion of the time, it is blued steel with a nice wood grip

 

Colt Thunderer - This here is a historical piece and part of a new ammo type I'd like to bring to the mod, the previously discontinued .41 Long Colt; previously discontinued being that officially, Colt stopped making them but gunsmiths and experienced handloaders everywhere continue to make mints from producing the round 9 with 50 round boxes being valued at around 65 dollars, but real sharks charge the same for half as many. 0 Quick history brief, back in 1877 9 which is the real name of the gun, the Model 1877 but this one and the other two were given nicknames like 'lightning' and 'rainmaker' and this one being 'thunderer' that all stuck on so well, it kind of became the official name for them, and it sounds much more inspired too. 0 Colt wanted to make a gun for everybody, one for the law, one for the robbed shopkeep and even one for those who worked on the opposite side of the law, essentially, they wanted everybody to have a Colt so they could stick it to Winchester and any other company, so they specifically made the .41 Long Colt just for the Thunderer and over the years, it grew and grew and grew. But onto the stats, the meat of any good suggestion, if you will; weighs 2.5 lbs with a 4.5 inch barrel, has a fixed cylinder, is technically a double action, 9 but the double action is known for being completely godawful on this one, even attempting to use it can cause the gun to break down, and also has a reputation for being incredibly difficult to repair, often being called 'gunsmith's favorite' so it's better used single action 0 Now needless to say, .41 is a decently sized round, and considering the time it was manufactured, you can bet safely that it's a subsonic round, in layman's terms big and slow bullet = Big damage.

 

There was no data to be found on accuracy but given that this, like the Peacemaker 9 Colt SAA 0 it has only a front sight, so make of that what you will, and know that trained shooters will work the single action considerably faster than a double action can fire 9 Just look up Bob Munden single action and then compare it to Miculek fastest revolver shooting 0, so if the .41 Long Colt is to be considered, those should definitely represent two big factors, the damage of the round being superior and the fire rate being better for more experienced shooters, with the trade off of the scarcity of the ammo, it's for the big league players in the ballpark, essentially. Fun fact  - This was the gun Billy the Kid wore.

 

Colt M1892 - Made for the US Army and Navy of 1892, this double action swing out 6 cylinder .41 Long Colt revolver weighs in at 2.07 lbs comes with a 6 inch barrel on a blued frame. Although it did also come in civilian models which featured nickel plating instead of the authority blue steel. Pretty cool gun, also made in .38 Long Colt, but that caliber can go hide in the cupboard until we need it.

 

Colt M1889 - Theodore Roosevelt once wielded this swinging double action 6 cylinder revolver produced in .41 Long Colt. This gun typically featured the military/police blue steel finish with rubber grips, while the civilian variant featured the blue steel finish with walnut grips. Back to the actual stats, it weighs in, 9 unloaded weight 0 oddly enough at 2.07 lbs much like the 1892 model. Now this gun was a bit of a problem child, being the first revolver Colt produced that spun counter clockwise, they were still working out the kinks, mainly that because the design lacked a center pin and cylinder, the cylinder could actually move out of alignment when firing, which makes for quite an Achille's heel, nonetheless though, it was still a weapon favored by the US Navy for the era.

 

Colt Police - This swinging double action six shooter was produced in 1927 in .22LR, .41 Long Colt and .38 Special 9 and by extension you could put .357 in there, but that's gonna degrade the hell out of it, like loading 5.56 in an .223 chamber, it's too hot and too high of a pressure. 0 with a 6 inch barrel she weighs 2.2 lbs, but if you want to put on a barrel that says that you're not compensating for anything, it'll weigh 1.95 lbs with the 2 inch barrel military model. This weapon truly exploded in popularity when it was produced, Colt then took it one step further by detailing the weapon, giving it that blue finish, checkering the trigger and hand polishing them before shipping them out, which sent the public into even more of a craze over these reliable machines. This gun would cement Colt's dominance over the law enforcement and military market, and it being such a popular weapon, I think it would be one of a more sensible suggestion that is rarely seen of my suggestions.

 

Colt New Service - This double action six shooter was produced in an incredible number of calibers including .45 Colt, .41 Long Colt, .357 Magnum 9 and of course by extension, .38 Special 0 .45 ACP and .455 Webley.  

 

Despite explicitly stating that Webley is too rare and won't be accepted, I believe I have some new information to shed some light on the matter and clear the way for the Webley's. There are two companies that make and ship .455 Webley rounds and casings internationally, Fiocchi and Hornady, so the ammunition is not dead. In addition, many handloaders improvise rounds by using .45 Colt casings, .452 bullet molds that don't even need to be jacketed and a good fitting primer, and you're in business, all that needs to be done is make a minor cut in length to the .45 Colt casing, and even then, others use .45 ACP to do the same, it just requires one more cut. So not only are the rounds still sold, you can make your own with with relative ease with a fair amount of elbow grease. The .455 Webley ammunition I would like to suggest are MKII's because MKIII's are a violation of the Hague's and Geneva Conventions for being ersatz hollow points being called 'manstoppers' , not to mention have never been produced since they were more or less internationally banned. Let me say real quickly these bullets are FUCKIN' FAT SLOW THINGS, with a velocity of only 190m/s which needs to be multiplied by  about 1.815 to even reach sonic speed, along with the fact that it is nearly a 1/2 inch diameter. Consider the sheer magnitude of the damage that this round can inflict even with the pointed tips of the MKII ammo. It's like that big ol' fat  meatball kid from your junior high school who takes 20 minutes to run the mile, all sweaty and Diabetes ridden, but still hilarious and lovable.  Now, back to the Colt New Service.

 

Over 356,000 were manufactured during the time it was produced, weight of 2.5 lbs with a 4 inch barrel, you can go about 2.9 with a flashy 6 inch. Like many of these other old timey revolvers in this suggestion, it features a fixed blade front sight with a notched rear sight. Again, with it being made in a veritable oasis of calibers, I think this would be a really good addition to the mod.

 

If the Webley round itself is to be accepted, I believe a few of the guns the bullet was designed for should probably be tossed in too

and if that's the case, I'll give some stats here.

 

Webley MKIV - began production in 1899, weighs 2.2 lbs with a 6 inch barrel, holds 6 rounds, double action; front break, a highly sought after classic weapon throughout English history, although not as popular as the MKVI. There are several companies that produce lookalikes and knockoffs 9 some even bearing imitation Webley markings 0 of the weapon chambered for .45 ACP and .38SW. Still a rare weapon in part of the actual rarity of the weapon, and the other contributing factor to the rarity being the ammunition, so it's a rare gun and a rare, albeit possible to reproduce ammo. Still something that would be really cool to have in the game.

 

Webley MKVI - the final iteration of the Webley revolver, began seeing manufacturing in 1915, during the Great War, and would not see a stop until 6 years after it ended, many British officers and even GI's would pick up the new Webley before shipping out just as a personal piece should they lose their issued weapon or find themselves in a tight spot, which is how the Webley came to be one of the most popular handguns in English history. Either way, the stats are as follows; weight is 2.4 lbs, fires up to 30 rounds per minute with a fixed blade-notch sight system, is a double action, so you can definitely spit out more than 30 rounds if you fan the hammer instead of the trigger. Now with all the stats out of the way, that leaves the reason for suggesting, and as I had said in my last suggestion, this is the Bioshock 1 pistol, and being such a huge fan of the series, I would love to see this in the game as much as I love shotguns.... And Jimi Hendrix.... And porn... yeah porn.

 

And on a side note, here's a shot in the dark for that crazy 24 shot mod from Bioshock for it, I understand that's definitely not realistic, and my thing with it is, if you don't, I certainly will, it's just too perfect of an opportunity to pass up.

 

Smith and Wesson Triple Lock - As the Webley became so incredibly popular during WWI, the manufacturers were having an incredibly hard time keeping up with orders. Enter Smith and Wesson, who was contracted by Webley initially to just produce cylinders for them. However, all while producing the cylinders, Smith and Wesson came up with a new design featuring those cylinders, informed Webley, who then told them to go ahead and show them what they had. Smith and Wesson 9 and I'm sorry for no ampersands, I again do not have a shift key 0 then showed them the Triple Lock, and Webley was very satisfied with it and ordered 5,000 and then another 10,000 after the commercial success of the weapon. Of the 15,376 produced, EVERY LAST ONE WAS SOLD. It is considered by many to be 'the finest revolver ever made'. History aside, time for the stats, weight of only 2 lbs with a full 6.5 inch barrel, so if you had a shorter barrel version it could weigh only 1.5 lbs, holds 6 .455 Webley rounds, double action, swinging cylinder. And of course being the largest database of information known to man, the internet had no effective or maximum range to offer for this weapon.

 

Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver - This incredibly rare treat of a revolver is absolutely fascinating, almost like a M1911 and a Webley combined. It is a recoil operated design, using the recoil to push the hammer back into the cocked position, break action holding 6 .455 Webley rounds. The cylinder features a tell tale zig zag pattern making this a visually appealing piece as well as functional, weighing in at 2.7 lbs, this revolver while ingenious in design, was really knocked by soldiers of WWI that claimed the recoil operated system would jam much more than other, simpler revolvers. This bad publicity really tarnished sales, with about 10,000 made, many of them remained unsold even into the beginning of WWII. 

 

Bottom line for Webleys; they're rare guns with rare ammo, but once you do get your hands on one, you'll be very satisfied with the damage capabilities of it and the accuracy of them, being preferred guns by marksmen of their time such as Walter Winans.

 

 

Honestly, I'm torn as whether or not I should suggest weapons that have no business being in the US, or any conventional US military and police forces. The only reason why other weapons and automatic weapons made outside the US are suggested is because it is plausible for veterans to bring them back as war trophies, and collectors can also buy them from internet auctions For now, I'll hold off on them, and if anyone 9 and I'm referring to all users of the mod, not just casually addressing the Mountain Man, which is a pretty bad habit, that and referring to myself, which I'm doing right now and will continue to do with incredible frequency 0 has any opinions on whether or not they would want those weapons in the mod, and everyone's opinion matters and ultimately it comes down to the developer of the mod, but getting everyone's input would be a valuable asset.

 

Nonetheless here's a few rifles, and I did try to find more for older calibers like .30-06 and .303 before caving into 5.56 and 7.62.

 

M1941 'Betsy' - Made during the M1 trials, this carbine sports a 10 round rotary magazine which is reloaded using .30-06 clips. It features adjustable sights and a short recoil operating system in a package weighing 9.5 lbs. This rifle is a highly sought after WWII enthusiast's firearm, with about 70,000 produced during the time, it has become a collectable of sorts, and although it was rejected by the US military for not being able to withstand the Herculean torture tests the Garand did, many point out that what it lacks in durability to match the Garand, it does have a higher capacity and notably less recoil.

 

Winchester 1895 - Noted that the Russian variant has already been suggested, but there are so many more ammo types for this gun, it would just be strange to not have it in them. Stats will not be provided other than the other ammo types as the last suggester is assumed to have covered those bases. The gun was also produced in .30-06 and .303 British, both rounds that could probably use some more guns for.

 

 

Jungle Carbine - The Lee Enfield No. 5 MKI, better known as the 'Jungle Carbine', produced in .303 British, this bolt action rifle is essentially a lightweight version of the Lee Enfield No.4, it saw action through many dense brush environments all over the world by all kinds of militaries. But again with the history, here's the down low, weighs 7 lbs, comes with a flash suppressor built into the gun, has a 10 round magazine which is reloaded with charger clips and can spit out anywhere from 20 to 30 rounds per minute and has an effective range of 500 yards and a maximum range of 800 yards.

 

Bushmaster M17S - This Aussie semi automatic bullpup design fires 5.56 and by extension, .223's and is legal here in the States, because that Assault Weapons Ban is a really annoying thing to get around and put good, reliable weapons in the mod. Weighs 8.2 lbs, and takes STANAG mags, another convenience of the gun; just another rifle that isn't an M16 or an M4, I'd suppose.

 

Bushmaster Arm Pistol - Despite having 'pistol' in the name, officially this is recognized as a short rifle, and I include this only because the production number was never mentioned, so it doesn't feel wrong to say that this was produced in reasonable enough numbers to be found in game. Chambered in 5.56, so it can also fire .223's, weighs 5.25 lbs, and is a fully automatic design.

 

M60 Reising Rifle, M65 Reising - Originally designed as a submachine gun in trials for a bunker sweeper, 9 which as history would show, the Thompson would win that one 0 this semi automatic assault rifle is chambered in .45 ACP using a 20 round magazine, weighs 6.2 lbs and has a maximum firing range of 300 yards. In addition, another model, the M65 was produced in .22LR using the same base design.

 

M50 Reising, - This weapon is the submachine gun mentioned above, and shares the same weight and caliber of the M60 Reising, only difference being the automatic firing system, which operates at 550 rounds per minute.

 

Alright 19 guns to go; That should bring the total up to 50/ I believe; At this point I'm not even going for any limit, I'm going for an update being comprised of only my suggestions. 

 

Welcome to the Jungle, more specifically a southeast Asian jungle, the next round of guns are all from 'Nam.

 

M42 - This American made 9x19mm Parabellum submachine gun came to be in a shortage of Thompson subs for the Navy during WWII, as such this stepped in to fill the niche of the shorted weapon. It weighs 10 lbs even, fires at a rate of 700 rounds per minute, holds a 25 round magazine and features fixed sights, so a shooter doesn't exactly need to be an expert marksman to hit anything in particular.

 

Swedish K - How does a Swedish weapon find its way to America/ Answer; Vietnam. This 9x19mm Parabellum was designed in 1945 by Swedish inventor Carl Gustav, the weapon is known technically as the M/45, but has come to be known as the Swedish K. It weighs 7.4 lbs, holds 36 rounds in the magazine and fires at a rate of 600 rounds per minute.It features a straight blowback system and has an effective range of 250 meters. 9 And yes, this is the lightning round of suggestions, right to the point. 0

 

STEN - So taking a look around the suggestions, I saw that for whatever reason the STEN gun wasn't in there, and it just seemed really strange that nobody else had said anything about it, so I'll take care of that. Now most of the guns I suggest have production numbers in between 20,000 and 50,000 but compared to those, the STEN gun is downright common with 4.2 million produced, with more being produced every day; it is still being made. Anyway, she weighs 7.1 lbs, 9x19mm Parabellum, 32 round magazine, 550 rounds per minute sights fixed for 100 meters. Easily available to veterans, historians and collectors, it's fairly common to those types, so why not have it be a little more available 9 but as per usual, not everywhere 0; I keep finding P90's and Vectors anyway.

 

F1 - This, like the other two above is a 'Nam baby so to speak, and this is a really remarkable, interesting design, give it a look up, really cool looking weapon, but let's get right to it. Weighs 8.1 lbs, 9x19mm Parabellum, 620 rpm, 150m effective range, 34 round Sterling magazine, this beaut was used by the Aussie's when those FAL's couldn't cut it tight enough.

 

Sterling L2A3, Sterling L3A4 - This improvement on the STEN gun weighs in at 6 lbs, fires 9x19 Parabellum at a rate of 550 rounds per minute for both models. The split being the L2A3 does not have an internal suppressor while the more advanced L3A4 and all subsequent models sport an internal suppressor. The L2 has an effective range of 220 yards while the L3 has an effective range of 110 yards. So the tradeoff for low noise emission is range, which seems pretty fair. Also, if the weapon seems familiar, that is because this gun was the base for the Star Wars E11 9 Storm Trooper 0 Blaster Rifles.

 

Sterling 7.62 - Produced in the 1950's Cold War era, this 7.62x51mm battle rifle version of the Sterling submachine gun, it features the same weight and fire rate as the subs, was only made with the internal suppressors and took 20 round magazines and 30 round Bren gun magazines. No effective range was provided, but considering that it's a full rifle instead of the sub variant, but still has the suppressor, around 155 yards should do it.

 

HUSH PUPPY - This is not the standard SW Model 39, this is the SW Model 39 MK22 Mod 0, better known as the Hush Puppy. During the Vietnam War, US SOG troops would utilize this dead silent weapon to pick off stragglers and guard dogs without alerting the primary target. Now, the question might be 'how quiet exactly is this/' the answer; the gun had accounted for everything in terms of noise, it featured a suppressor produced onto the gun, and the slide lock was made to come up after every shot, eliminating noise from the cycling, so the only noise produced was the short, suppressed, subsonic thunk from the shot. So if it is going to be included, this may be the only 'fair' gun in Zomboid, because every zombie apparently has the hearing of a pack of elephants and will swarm from Muldraugh to West Point if you so much as fire a single pistol shot. And that's just the base game. Venting about the long term ineffectiveness of firearms aside, the gun weighs 1.9 lbs features a 14 round 9x19mm Parabellum magazine, but was also produced in .40 SW. Now this might be sounding pretty OP, but here's the catch, in exchange for next to no noise at all, remember that the slide lock comes up after every shot, requiring the shooter to extract the spent casing by hand, release the slide lock and then pull the slide all the way back to chamber the next round. According to Tom H Keith, a former Navy SEAL who served during the Vietnam War and used the weapon regularly, stated that regardless of any practicing with the weapon, the fastest interval between shots any of the SEALs could pull off was 4 seconds. That should make it even, and adding a very skill based 9 not literal aiming skill, as in actual player skill 0 weapon mechanic for this gun, having to plan each shot very carefully to successfully utilize the weapon properly without alerting zombies, in addition to making the player have to consider whether or not that moment is the opportune time to fire, the amount of zed in the area and the next movements they should make to avoid them until the next shot is ready to fire. I think this would make a very balanced weapon, hell, might even make TIS proud for having a gun that requires thought to use and is also fair for the player to use.

 

HDM - This gun was around before the Hush Puppy came in to replace during Vietnam, it was used by the OSS, CIA and during the Cold and Gulf Wars. It features and internal suppressor which reportedly reduced sound output by a whopping 20 decibels. It's a semi auto design, less quiet than the Hush Puppy because the slide works normally, fires .22LR from a 10 round magazine and has fixed sights, so it's not necessarily a marksman gun.

 

 

Okay, for the last 10 guns, I'm just gonna free form it, no theme, just guns.

 

Colt Woodsman - This fairly common semi auto .22LR design was first patented during WWI and production was continued into the late 70's for small game hunting. Its lightweight, compact design 9 1.85 lbs 0 also earned the acclaim of the US military which ordered them during both World Wars. No effective range could be found, but keep in mind this was marketed as a marksman pistol and was used for competition shooting during the early WWII era. Also let it be noted that the Woodsman and the HDM share the same magazine.

 

Brownie - A Mossberg design, this quad barreled pocket pistol was chambered in .22LR, weighs .7 lbs, double action. Obviously, not a super accurate thing, just a little gun. Made way before the COP .357 came out, which raises the idea that maybe this was the inspiration for such a unique gun.

 

Mossberg 464 - Nothing particularly fancy here, just a .22LR lever action, still being produced today, she weighs 5.7 lbs and can hold up to 13 rounds. Barrel is blued steel, like was the fashion of the 1800's, put it in common, put it in rare, can't go wrong either way. Still, lever actions are pretty cool, and it's fairly popular among nostalgia seekers.

 

Governor - Snub nosed SW Z frame design, this multi caliber gun purposed for home defense is a nice little piece. She weighs 1.8 lbs, and can fire .410 bore, .45 ACP and .45 Colt, which makes it a useful little tool, it's a double action and has blade/notch sights, but being manufactured for the purpose of home defense with a snub, it won't have super human accuracy, but it'll get the job done, especially when it's loaded with that .410.

 

Model 52, Model 952 - Weighing in at 2.5 lbs, this SW semi auto design bears a strikingly similar 9 and attractive 0 appearance to the Hush Puppy, but is chambered in .38 Special. It's short recoil and has a surprisingly small 5 round magazine. Another little pistol to decrease the likelihood of getting another Beretta 92F. The Model 952 is an updated variant of the Model 52 chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum featuring a 9 round magazine and a longer barrel for more precise shooting. It weighs 3 lbs and is still being produced today, having been unveiled in 2006.

 

Model 317 Kit - SW double action, 8 round cylinder, double action. Need I say more 9 actually, yes that's next to no information 0 anyway it fires .22LR, has adjustable sights giving it a slight accuracy advantage over a few other revolvers, and weighs an astonishingly low .75 lbs. Sounds like a pretty good deal, light, compact, accurate and quieter than all the screaming high caliber revolvers at the cost of damage. Keep in mind that Kit is just part of the name, it does not actually have anything to do with any kits.

 

R51 - Drawing from John Pederson's design, this 9x19mm Parabellum semi auto pistol has a similar appearance to the Walther PPK but features a unique 'hesitation locked action' developed by John Pederson, who was considered by John Moses Browning as the best firearms designer of his time. It has a weight of 1.4 lbs, a magazine capacity of 7, and has adjustable sights. Remington has plans to release it in .40 SW and .45 ACP but as that has not occurred yet, it cannot be suggested for those calibers.

 

Nylon 66 - Remington took a big gamble which paid off massively with this mostly synthetic gun, being produced from the late 50's to late 80's, many did not trust the synthetic parts and preferred wood frames and metallic parts. However because of the synthetic parts, it was able to be used very reliably in colder and more humid regions which led to its huge commercial success. Anyway, it's a .22LR, weighs 4 lbs, and holds 14 rounds in a magazine tube.

 

And of course, the final gun, one that has to be something so utterly insane, cool and extraordinarily rare. And for the sake of accurately conveying how awesome it is, I won't be analytical or restrain excitement and crass language, profanity will not be watched for this one.

 

CONVERTED AXE GUN -  Yes, you may release your orgasms, this gun is exactly what it sounds like  . Originally produced in 17th century Germany, as a flintlock handgun design, a firearms company reproduces them in .22LR. To clarify, this is not an axe that has been converted to a gun, this is a gun with an axe built onto it, not a removable bayonet. It is still a single shot design, and accuracy may be a bit off if you're trying to one hand it, on account of the weight of a GODDAMN HATCHET on your gun. While it is only produced in .22LR nowadays, considering what it is, I'd like to argue that if it does get put in; put it in as something like a .500 SW, .50AE or .50 BMG, some absurdly large and damaging caliber considering it only holds one shot and can't be used as a gun effectively in one hand 9 also saying you have a .50 caliber axe sounds a lot cooler than a .22 caliber axe   0. This sexy lil' mama weighs 4 lbs, is somewhat dangerous to reload considering that the break action pushes the axe towards the shooter. Now when it is used as an axe, I think it should degrade much faster considering that the grip is being swung to smash the hatchet at the end of the barrel into something, endangering it of breaking in half, although I do think the gun itself should be pretty durable considering how insanely rare these things are. I think that's pretty much it, the option to use it as an axe is there, although it should degrade faster when used as such because that's a lot of physical abuse on the gun, and because of the rarity it should be a pretty durable build. In conclusion this is the epitome of the 'COME GET SOME, FUCKER' guns. I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message. 9

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and here's some proof that this thing exists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_sword

 

P.S Have fun seeing if this can fit in a quote, and I apologize to the in game model maker, he's got a lot of work ahead of him XD

 

And I understand I'm the ultimate towel boy at this point haha.

 

Did I really read all of this?!?! Oh Boy, I need a hobby.

 

I am going to quote you. I  want to see what happens.

 

You talking about reading all of that, try researching and writing all that hahahaha, and I'll quote you quoting me 

[ORMtnMan]

While I may be a bit late to say so, I would like to take a very brief moment to say congratulations on the mod spotlight; that's a pretty huge achievement having the developers of the game acknowledge how massive and how much work and dedication you've put forth into the mod, so much so that they would interview you, that's a pretty big honor. On tap today is nothing necessarily crazy, although there has to be some unusual suggestions, otherwise it just plain wouldn't be my suggestion, it'd be like Jimi Hendrix without the distortion sound or drugs. And please, feel free to shoot some of these down if they're too obscure or rare, I completely understand that some of my suggestions are super rare and damn near impossible to find or ammo scarcity or other people just plain wouldn't want them, as far as I'm concerned these are just suggestions to add, not obligations, also I'm gonna try to get Webley's and add another new ammo type in this one. Now what I'm set on doing here is to create a gun suggestion so large it either A; hits some imposed character limit that is not currently known to me, or B; takes up an entire page. My only regret being that it will most likely not be page 69 9 giggity 0. So less talk, more rock, I'll get right into it.

 

Mare's Leg - I'm honestly kicking myself for not thinking this up earlier, it's a gun that's been in nearly every wild west themed shooter, and I'm sure we're all familiar to a degree with it. In essence, it is a sawed down lever action rifle 9 and also sawed down lever action shotguns, but seeing as there's already the option to saw down a Winchester 1887, there's no real point to making a shotgun version, unless you would like to 0 Because 'Mare's Leg' is a broad term, like DW PPC revolvers, I'll refer specifically to the new Chiappa Mare's Legs which are sawed down 1892 lever actions. They are 5.5 lbs, can be chambered in .357 and .44 magnum and both can hold 5 shots plus one in the chamber. The barrel is one foot long, and the stock and frame of the gun are another foot bringing it to a compact package of two feet, one handed fury. I suppose I'd want to see it just because I've been playing a fair amount of old west games, and who can say they don't want to be a badass dead-eye gunslinger of the zombie apocalypse/

 

 

REMINGTON 1740 - So remember a while back when I suggested the AF2011A1 9 which I had noticed that and a few other of my suggestions were being discussed   0 shameful pride of no actual work aside, I think you'll like this a bit better. Now I'm all for a double 1911, that's arguably the best pistol to make 2 of and then put in 1 gun. But how about if we took it a step further and did that exact idea with a goddamn shotgun/ now that's a wee bit more fun now, innit/ haha. Now what it is, it's essentially the same thing as the AF2011A1 only done with 2 Remington 870's instead of 1911's. Obviously, this gun is really rare, considering that gunsmiths make these as private, custom orders, or backyard engineers make them after having to contact the ATF; but they do exist and to a number that is reasonable enough 9 and especially in Kentucky, that's definitely where you would find a few of these 0 to be found in the game and the real world, although with plenty of digging. all the stats are inherent of what can be assumed; it's double the weight of an 870, double the capacity although it is done with two separate magazine tubes and one pump, much like the DP12. Either way, you could probably just have both of them function as shotguns with 16 shell tubes instead of 8; Regardless, it'd be a badass weapon, and a hell of a lot of fun to use. 

 

 

Winchester Model 101 - If it wasn't blatantly obvious, I like shotguns, I really, really love them, especially in Zomboid because of their incredible consistent reliability, even at low aiming levels. However, all the same, I feel as though there is such an imbalance between over-under and side-by-side shotguns in this mod; not that it really matters anyway, but Engineer's Law 9 for those unfamiliar with Team Fortress, it is 'Use More Gun.', and that same mettle applies to the above suggestion 0. The Model 101 is much like the Model 21 in that it is a luxury double barrel, is held in high regards for its accuracy and is produced by Winchester. Now for the actual stats, it's 12g weighs 8 lbs and is made of polished Belgian wood with an engraved nickel plated receiver 9 it's a pretty, shiny gun 0. I believe as I said last time for a reason wanting one of these luxury shotguns in the game was that who doesn't want to kill zombies, and be a classy sophisticate while doing so. 'Genteel and certainly not gentle.'

 

Next up I have a few guns from the same general family that are produced in a myriad of calibers, though they might get a bit confusing with all the caliber variants, so put in what you like, or don't if you don't. All of them have polymer grips, but as a  9 lore friendly, and I know lore is not the scope of the mod, that's just gravy at this point 0 production stunt in 1991 by Heckler Koch, some 500 of each of these guns were produced with genuine wooden marksman grips, which would be a really cool rare variant version of these common guns.

 

P7M13 - a HK design, this piece came to be during the M9 trials, it is a gas delayed semi auto system boasting a unique appearance, a weight of 1.9 lbs, a 13 round 9x19 Parabellum magazine, a very simple, very affordable design which is why I propose that it and other variants of the P7 design be civilian commons, because I have so many Beretta 92F's that I have one for every container in the West Point police station armory and adjacent office. 9 really not sure why but it just spawns so much more often than other civilian common pistols, and the magazines spawn like hotcakes sell 0 Now according to the website, it did say this weapon had a problem with durability but that Heckler-Koch provided tool kits to keep it in good repair, so having this weapon degrade slightly faster than other pistols would be a good touch.

 

P7K3 - weighing in at 1.75 lbs, this gun can be chambered in .22LR, .32 ACP and .380 ACP, which covers some ammo types that I had to work to find guns for. This gun sports an 8 round single stack magazine, a semi auto design and a fix to the degradation issue that the former model above had, in addition, the gun can be converted very easily between the calibers with a kit. I know these descriptions are getting to be pretty barebone but what else is there to say, German semi auto, calibers, capacity, weight, think that covers all bases, except fire rate, the P7K3 is a straight blowback rather than gas delay, so take from that what you will.

 

P7M10 - 2.5 lbs, chambered in .40 SW 9 I apologize for my lack of a shift key, all the capitals are just double tapping the caps lock key 0 features a 10 round magazine, semi auto gas delay design, pretty solid weapon likely to be found as personal and home defense weapon, good design, good feel, and an overall unique weapon that I would love to see in the game. Finally a breath of fresh air from the 'handgun metagame' where all the guns look like the same bland, boring design

 

 

And now here's some cool weapons from the Old Country.

 

Beretta Model 38 - Here's the rare find of the day, nothing super wild though, save that for a little further down the line; This is a weapon that time forgot, made before the war, 1938, this Italian stallion 9x19 Parabellum blowback design is fully automatic, has a 270 yd effective range, weighs in at 9.2 lbs and fires at 600 rounds per minute. Pretty good for something that saw such few years of action. And it comes in two particular variants, same caliber, just different stocks and grips. The 38-2 features a fixed wood stock and frame which very nicely compliments the perforated, recoil compensated barrel; these were originally produced at the beginning of the war before the Italian military had to opt for the 38-3, the cheap, 'cut corners' version. They take box magazines that can hold anywhere from 20 to 40 rounds. The 38-3 features less accuracy, worse durability 9 from cheap parts 0, lighter weight 9 due to its pistol grip/MP-40 esque folding stock 0 But still, very cool looking weapon, and one that can perform as well. 

 

FAMARS Rombo - The old adage says 'There's always a bigger fish' and this is living proof. Remember that Chiappa Triple/ Well here's the answer to it; 3 < 4. That's right, a quad barreled shotgun, in a breathtakingly beautiful package 9 go ahead give it a look up 0 While I try not be an advertisement for the guns I suggest, there must be description to convey extremes. A walnut stock with the most intricate engravings and carvings all along the barrel, trigger and frame, but enough swooning. The gun weighs 7.5 lbs, features a unique firing system, which to my understanding, as long as the trigger is pulled, will fire all four barrels one after the other, break action, made in .410 bore 9 and should the time come when it is suggested, 28 gauge 0 

 

Villar Perosa - Now, of course this suggestion is not for the original Villar Perosa which weighed 14 lbs and was meant to be used as a mounted gun; this is for the second iteration of it which weighed at a nicer 9 lbs and was suited for 'walking fire'. For those familiar with the term, that's a dead giveaway that this is a WWI weapon, but what they may not know is that this is the second iteration of the first submachine gun ever made. Now the bullets it shot 9 9mm Glisenti 0 are discontinued, but manufactured by one remaining company from time to time. But that's a shot in the dark, however many historians and collectors have documented and own Perosas converted to 9x19 Parabellum. So of course, this weapon is exceedingly rare, put it in or leave it out at your discretion, rarity is that much affecting the availability. But on the off chance that's not overly discouraging, here's the down low on the weapon; it's a double barrel, dual top mounted magazine with a built in bipod, which were sometimes sawed down as to be used as grips when there was nothing to mount it onto, has an effective range of 2,000 yards. Now if this doesn't sound sketchy, or like a terrible idea, allow me to terrify everyone and save this suggestion from the scrap bin; This, the world's FIRST submachine gun which held mere 25 round magazines FIRED AT A RATE OF 3,000 ROUNDS PER MINUTE. Now you do the math, if it holds 2 25 round magazines at a time, 3000/60 = 50 rounds. In a matter of a single second, both magazines are completely emptied in that time period. Let that sink in next time you're completely surrounded by a dense horde closing in from all directions in the dead of night. 1 second.

 

Beretta M1934 - weighing in at 1.45 lbs this blowback semi automatic, hailed for its extreme durability was mass produced in time for WWII and used accordingly by both the Axis and Allied sides. Its magazine can hold 7 .380 ACP rounds, plus one in the chamber makes a total capacity of 8 rounds. It is an incredibly small pistol making it perfect for quick, run and gun situations for unskilled shooters and a good pocket defense weapon for WWII enthusiasts making it fairly available but not super widespread. 

 

Beretta M1951 - 1.9 lbs of short recoil semi automatic 9x19mm Parabellum. Holding a 10 round magazine with sights fixed for 50m this is another perfect example of low skill requiring run and gun shooter. It's another typical common pistol for the average Zomboid survivalist. The reason why I'm suggesting the '34 and the '51 here are just comparing the appearance and performance of them to the HL1 pistol, they are perfect dead ringers for each other, and I think it'd be pretty awesome to take a piece of the Freeman Fury into Zomboid.

 

LF-57 - I managed to find this after accidentally deleting all my work on a previous attempt at a suggestion and am ecstatic that I was able to discover it once more, but enough tangent, here's the skinny on this badass Italian sub. 9 the lead spitter, not delicious kind 0 This pretty mama weighs in at 7 lbs, she spits 9x19 Parabellum at a rate of 500 rpm from a 20 or 40 round magazine. Now here's the kicker because I feel this is quickly becoming the 9x19mm/Italy/Skrub at shooting suggestion. This weapon's sights are fixed in for a mere 25m, so again another skrub shooter, but an interesting gun nonetheless, using a very common ammo type.

 

Okay so now that those parameters have been exhausted from this suggestion, seeing as there were quite a few weapons that met those, and there are infinitely more, I'll stay away from those for the rest of the time. Let's talk about the wonder weapons of the west; revolvers.

 

Colt Double Eagle - 9 not a revolver, but I'm a dick anyway 0 Again, this is another one of the multiple caliber production weapons, but I will not be suggesting the .45 ACP or 9mm variants because there's already the standard M1911 and the Springfield Armory 9mm, and I should also say that the .38 Super variant has already been added under the name of Colt Commander Super 38 but I'd like to throw the 10mm Auto and the .40 SW variants in the ring, because I was able to find the ammo for the guns, but no guns of that took it in my time playing. Weighs 2.6 lbs and has 8 round magazines across the board with an effective range of 50m and a maximum range of 70m.

 

Colt Trooper -Here's another like the above, but it's a double action revolver, infamously known to have a stiff double action trigger pull, 6 cylinder, weighs anywhere from 2.2 to 3.5 lbs from a 4 inch to 8 inch barrel, produced in .22LR, .38 Special, and of course by extension, .357 Magnum and it also came in .22 winmag. This here along with a few other revolvers, which I'll also recommend because revolvers are just fantastic and simple machines were made specifically with the average policeman and highway state trooper in mind, and being produced in the first half half of the 20th century, as was the fashion of the time, it is blued steel with a nice wood grip

 

Colt Thunderer - This here is a historical piece and part of a new ammo type I'd like to bring to the mod, the previously discontinued .41 Long Colt; previously discontinued being that officially, Colt stopped making them but gunsmiths and experienced handloaders everywhere continue to make mints from producing the round 9 with 50 round boxes being valued at around 65 dollars, but real sharks charge the same for half as many. 0 Quick history brief, back in 1877 9 which is the real name of the gun, the Model 1877 but this one and the other two were given nicknames like 'lightning' and 'rainmaker' and this one being 'thunderer' that all stuck on so well, it kind of became the official name for them, and it sounds much more inspired too. 0 Colt wanted to make a gun for everybody, one for the law, one for the robbed shopkeep and even one for those who worked on the opposite side of the law, essentially, they wanted everybody to have a Colt so they could stick it to Winchester and any other company, so they specifically made the .41 Long Colt just for the Thunderer and over the years, it grew and grew and grew. But onto the stats, the meat of any good suggestion, if you will; weighs 2.5 lbs with a 4.5 inch barrel, has a fixed cylinder, is technically a double action, 9 but the double action is known for being completely godawful on this one, even attempting to use it can cause the gun to break down, and also has a reputation for being incredibly difficult to repair, often being called 'gunsmith's favorite' so it's better used single action 0 Now needless to say, .41 is a decently sized round, and considering the time it was manufactured, you can bet safely that it's a subsonic round, in layman's terms big and slow bullet = Big damage.

 

There was no data to be found on accuracy but given that this, like the Peacemaker 9 Colt SAA 0 it has only a front sight, so make of that what you will, and know that trained shooters will work the single action considerably faster than a double action can fire 9 Just look up Bob Munden single action and then compare it to Miculek fastest revolver shooting 0, so if the .41 Long Colt is to be considered, those should definitely represent two big factors, the damage of the round being superior and the fire rate being better for more experienced shooters, with the trade off of the scarcity of the ammo, it's for the big league players in the ballpark, essentially. Fun fact  - This was the gun Billy the Kid wore.

 

Colt M1892 - Made for the US Army and Navy of 1892, this double action swing out 6 cylinder .41 Long Colt revolver weighs in at 2.07 lbs comes with a 6 inch barrel on a blued frame. Although it did also come in civilian models which featured nickel plating instead of the authority blue steel. Pretty cool gun, also made in .38 Long Colt, but that caliber can go hide in the cupboard until we need it.

 

Colt M1889 - Theodore Roosevelt once wielded this swinging double action 6 cylinder revolver produced in .41 Long Colt. This gun typically featured the military/police blue steel finish with rubber grips, while the civilian variant featured the blue steel finish with walnut grips. Back to the actual stats, it weighs in, 9 unloaded weight 0 oddly enough at 2.07 lbs much like the 1892 model. Now this gun was a bit of a problem child, being the first revolver Colt produced that spun counter clockwise, they were still working out the kinks, mainly that because the design lacked a center pin and cylinder, the cylinder could actually move out of alignment when firing, which makes for quite an Achille's heel, nonetheless though, it was still a weapon favored by the US Navy for the era.

 

Colt Police - This swinging double action six shooter was produced in 1927 in .22LR, .41 Long Colt and .38 Special 9 and by extension you could put .357 in there, but that's gonna degrade the hell out of it, like loading 5.56 in an .223 chamber, it's too hot and too high of a pressure. 0 with a 6 inch barrel she weighs 2.2 lbs, but if you want to put on a barrel that says that you're not compensating for anything, it'll weigh 1.95 lbs with the 2 inch barrel military model. This weapon truly exploded in popularity when it was produced, Colt then took it one step further by detailing the weapon, giving it that blue finish, checkering the trigger and hand polishing them before shipping them out, which sent the public into even more of a craze over these reliable machines. This gun would cement Colt's dominance over the law enforcement and military market, and it being such a popular weapon, I think it would be one of a more sensible suggestion that is rarely seen of my suggestions.

 

Colt New Service - This double action six shooter was produced in an incredible number of calibers including .45 Colt, .41 Long Colt, .357 Magnum 9 and of course by extension, .38 Special 0 .45 ACP and .455 Webley.  

 

Despite explicitly stating that Webley is too rare and won't be accepted, I believe I have some new information to shed some light on the matter and clear the way for the Webley's. There are two companies that make and ship .455 Webley rounds and casings internationally, Fiocchi and Hornady, so the ammunition is not dead. In addition, many handloaders improvise rounds by using .45 Colt casings, .452 bullet molds that don't even need to be jacketed and a good fitting primer, and you're in business, all that needs to be done is make a minor cut in length to the .45 Colt casing, and even then, others use .45 ACP to do the same, it just requires one more cut. So not only are the rounds still sold, you can make your own with with relative ease with a fair amount of elbow grease. The .455 Webley ammunition I would like to suggest are MKII's because MKIII's are a violation of the Hague's and Geneva Conventions for being ersatz hollow points being called 'manstoppers' , not to mention have never been produced since they were more or less internationally banned. Let me say real quickly these bullets are FUCKIN' FAT SLOW THINGS, with a velocity of only 190m/s which needs to be multiplied by  about 1.815 to even reach sonic speed, along with the fact that it is nearly a 1/2 inch diameter. Consider the sheer magnitude of the damage that this round can inflict even with the pointed tips of the MKII ammo. It's like that big ol' fat  meatball kid from your junior high school who takes 20 minutes to run the mile, all sweaty and Diabetes ridden, but still hilarious and lovable.  Now, back to the Colt New Service.

 

Over 356,000 were manufactured during the time it was produced, weight of 2.5 lbs with a 4 inch barrel, you can go about 2.9 with a flashy 6 inch. Like many of these other old timey revolvers in this suggestion, it features a fixed blade front sight with a notched rear sight. Again, with it being made in a veritable oasis of calibers, I think this would be a really good addition to the mod.

 

If the Webley round itself is to be accepted, I believe a few of the guns the bullet was designed for should probably be tossed in too

and if that's the case, I'll give some stats here.

 

Webley MKIV - began production in 1899, weighs 2.2 lbs with a 6 inch barrel, holds 6 rounds, double action; front break, a highly sought after classic weapon throughout English history, although not as popular as the MKVI. There are several companies that produce lookalikes and knockoffs 9 some even bearing imitation Webley markings 0 of the weapon chambered for .45 ACP and .38SW. Still a rare weapon in part of the actual rarity of the weapon, and the other contributing factor to the rarity being the ammunition, so it's a rare gun and a rare, albeit possible to reproduce ammo. Still something that would be really cool to have in the game.

 

Webley MKVI - the final iteration of the Webley revolver, began seeing manufacturing in 1915, during the Great War, and would not see a stop until 6 years after it ended, many British officers and even GI's would pick up the new Webley before shipping out just as a personal piece should they lose their issued weapon or find themselves in a tight spot, which is how the Webley came to be one of the most popular handguns in English history. Either way, the stats are as follows; weight is 2.4 lbs, fires up to 30 rounds per minute with a fixed blade-notch sight system, is a double action, so you can definitely spit out more than 30 rounds if you fan the hammer instead of the trigger. Now with all the stats out of the way, that leaves the reason for suggesting, and as I had said in my last suggestion, this is the Bioshock 1 pistol, and being such a huge fan of the series, I would love to see this in the game as much as I love shotguns.... And Jimi Hendrix.... And porn... yeah porn.

 

And on a side note, here's a shot in the dark for that crazy 24 shot mod from Bioshock for it, I understand that's definitely not realistic, and my thing with it is, if you don't, I certainly will, it's just too perfect of an opportunity to pass up.

 

Smith and Wesson Triple Lock - As the Webley became so incredibly popular during WWI, the manufacturers were having an incredibly hard time keeping up with orders. Enter Smith and Wesson, who was contracted by Webley initially to just produce cylinders for them. However, all while producing the cylinders, Smith and Wesson came up with a new design featuring those cylinders, informed Webley, who then told them to go ahead and show them what they had. Smith and Wesson 9 and I'm sorry for no ampersands, I again do not have a shift key 0 then showed them the Triple Lock, and Webley was very satisfied with it and ordered 5,000 and then another 10,000 after the commercial success of the weapon. Of the 15,376 produced, EVERY LAST ONE WAS SOLD. It is considered by many to be 'the finest revolver ever made'. History aside, time for the stats, weight of only 2 lbs with a full 6.5 inch barrel, so if you had a shorter barrel version it could weigh only 1.5 lbs, holds 6 .455 Webley rounds, double action, swinging cylinder. And of course being the largest database of information known to man, the internet had no effective or maximum range to offer for this weapon.

 

Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver - This incredibly rare treat of a revolver is absolutely fascinating, almost like a M1911 and a Webley combined. It is a recoil operated design, using the recoil to push the hammer back into the cocked position, break action holding 6 .455 Webley rounds. The cylinder features a tell tale zig zag pattern making this a visually appealing piece as well as functional, weighing in at 2.7 lbs, this revolver while ingenious in design, was really knocked by soldiers of WWI that claimed the recoil operated system would jam much more than other, simpler revolvers. This bad publicity really tarnished sales, with about 10,000 made, many of them remained unsold even into the beginning of WWII. 

 

Bottom line for Webleys; they're rare guns with rare ammo, but once you do get your hands on one, you'll be very satisfied with the damage capabilities of it and the accuracy of them, being preferred guns by marksmen of their time such as Walter Winans.

 

 

Honestly, I'm torn as whether or not I should suggest weapons that have no business being in the US, or any conventional US military and police forces. The only reason why other weapons and automatic weapons made outside the US are suggested is because it is plausible for veterans to bring them back as war trophies, and collectors can also buy them from internet auctions For now, I'll hold off on them, and if anyone 9 and I'm referring to all users of the mod, not just casually addressing the Mountain Man, which is a pretty bad habit, that and referring to myself, which I'm doing right now and will continue to do with incredible frequency 0 has any opinions on whether or not they would want those weapons in the mod, and everyone's opinion matters and ultimately it comes down to the developer of the mod, but getting everyone's input would be a valuable asset.

 

Nonetheless here's a few rifles, and I did try to find more for older calibers like .30-06 and .303 before caving into 5.56 and 7.62.

 

M1941 'Betsy' - Made during the M1 trials, this carbine sports a 10 round rotary magazine which is reloaded using .30-06 clips. It features adjustable sights and a short recoil operating system in a package weighing 9.5 lbs. This rifle is a highly sought after WWII enthusiast's firearm, with about 70,000 produced during the time, it has become a collectable of sorts, and although it was rejected by the US military for not being able to withstand the Herculean torture tests the Garand did, many point out that what it lacks in durability to match the Garand, it does have a higher capacity and notably less recoil.

 

Winchester 1895 - Noted that the Russian variant has already been suggested, but there are so many more ammo types for this gun, it would just be strange to not have it in them. Stats will not be provided other than the other ammo types as the last suggester is assumed to have covered those bases. The gun was also produced in .30-06 and .303 British, both rounds that could probably use some more guns for.

 

 

Jungle Carbine - The Lee Enfield No. 5 MKI, better known as the 'Jungle Carbine', produced in .303 British, this bolt action rifle is essentially a lightweight version of the Lee Enfield No.4, it saw action through many dense brush environments all over the world by all kinds of militaries. But again with the history, here's the down low, weighs 7 lbs, comes with a flash suppressor built into the gun, has a 10 round magazine which is reloaded with charger clips and can spit out anywhere from 20 to 30 rounds per minute and has an effective range of 500 yards and a maximum range of 800 yards.

 

Bushmaster M17S - This Aussie semi automatic bullpup design fires 5.56 and by extension, .223's and is legal here in the States, because that Assault Weapons Ban is a really annoying thing to get around and put good, reliable weapons in the mod. Weighs 8.2 lbs, and takes STANAG mags, another convenience of the gun; just another rifle that isn't an M16 or an M4, I'd suppose.

 

Bushmaster Arm Pistol - Despite having 'pistol' in the name, officially this is recognized as a short rifle, and I include this only because the production number was never mentioned, so it doesn't feel wrong to say that this was produced in reasonable enough numbers to be found in game. Chambered in 5.56, so it can also fire .223's, weighs 5.25 lbs, and is a fully automatic design.

 

M60 Reising Rifle, M65 Reising - Originally designed as a submachine gun in trials for a bunker sweeper, 9 which as history would show, the Thompson would win that one 0 this semi automatic assault rifle is chambered in .45 ACP using a 20 round magazine, weighs 6.2 lbs and has a maximum firing range of 300 yards. In addition, another model, the M65 was produced in .22LR using the same base design.

 

M50 Reising, - This weapon is the submachine gun mentioned above, and shares the same weight and caliber of the M60 Reising, only difference being the automatic firing system, which operates at 550 rounds per minute.

 

Alright 19 guns to go; That should bring the total up to 50/ I believe; At this point I'm not even going for any limit, I'm going for an update being comprised of only my suggestions. 

 

Welcome to the Jungle, more specifically a southeast Asian jungle, the next round of guns are all from 'Nam.

 

M42 - This American made 9x19mm Parabellum submachine gun came to be in a shortage of Thompson subs for the Navy during WWII, as such this stepped in to fill the niche of the shorted weapon. It weighs 10 lbs even, fires at a rate of 700 rounds per minute, holds a 25 round magazine and features fixed sights, so a shooter doesn't exactly need to be an expert marksman to hit anything in particular.

 

Swedish K - How does a Swedish weapon find its way to America/ Answer; Vietnam. This 9x19mm Parabellum was designed in 1945 by Swedish inventor Carl Gustav, the weapon is known technically as the M/45, but has come to be known as the Swedish K. It weighs 7.4 lbs, holds 36 rounds in the magazine and fires at a rate of 600 rounds per minute.It features a straight blowback system and has an effective range of 250 meters. 9 And yes, this is the lightning round of suggestions, right to the point. 0

 

STEN - So taking a look around the suggestions, I saw that for whatever reason the STEN gun wasn't in there, and it just seemed really strange that nobody else had said anything about it, so I'll take care of that. Now most of the guns I suggest have production numbers in between 20,000 and 50,000 but compared to those, the STEN gun is downright common with 4.2 million produced, with more being produced every day; it is still being made. Anyway, she weighs 7.1 lbs, 9x19mm Parabellum, 32 round magazine, 550 rounds per minute sights fixed for 100 meters. Easily available to veterans, historians and collectors, it's fairly common to those types, so why not have it be a little more available 9 but as per usual, not everywhere 0; I keep finding P90's and Vectors anyway.

 

F1 - This, like the other two above is a 'Nam baby so to speak, and this is a really remarkable, interesting design, give it a look up, really cool looking weapon, but let's get right to it. Weighs 8.1 lbs, 9x19mm Parabellum, 620 rpm, 150m effective range, 34 round Sterling magazine, this beaut was used by the Aussie's when those FAL's couldn't cut it tight enough.

 

Sterling L2A3, Sterling L3A4 - This improvement on the STEN gun weighs in at 6 lbs, fires 9x19 Parabellum at a rate of 550 rounds per minute for both models. The split being the L2A3 does not have an internal suppressor while the more advanced L3A4 and all subsequent models sport an internal suppressor. The L2 has an effective range of 220 yards while the L3 has an effective range of 110 yards. So the tradeoff for low noise emission is range, which seems pretty fair. Also, if the weapon seems familiar, that is because this gun was the base for the Star Wars E11 9 Storm Trooper 0 Blaster Rifles.

 

Sterling 7.62 - Produced in the 1950's Cold War era, this 7.62x51mm battle rifle version of the Sterling submachine gun, it features the same weight and fire rate as the subs, was only made with the internal suppressors and took 20 round magazines and 30 round Bren gun magazines. No effective range was provided, but considering that it's a full rifle instead of the sub variant, but still has the suppressor, around 155 yards should do it.

 

HUSH PUPPY - This is not the standard SW Model 39, this is the SW Model 39 MK22 Mod 0, better known as the Hush Puppy. During the Vietnam War, US SOG troops would utilize this dead silent weapon to pick off stragglers and guard dogs without alerting the primary target. Now, the question might be 'how quiet exactly is this/' the answer; the gun had accounted for everything in terms of noise, it featured a suppressor produced onto the gun, and the slide lock was made to come up after every shot, eliminating noise from the cycling, so the only noise produced was the short, suppressed, subsonic thunk from the shot. So if it is going to be included, this may be the only 'fair' gun in Zomboid, because every zombie apparently has the hearing of a pack of elephants and will swarm from Muldraugh to West Point if you so much as fire a single pistol shot. And that's just the base game. Venting about the long term ineffectiveness of firearms aside, the gun weighs 1.9 lbs features a 14 round 9x19mm Parabellum magazine, but was also produced in .40 SW. Now this might be sounding pretty OP, but here's the catch, in exchange for next to no noise at all, remember that the slide lock comes up after every shot, requiring the shooter to extract the spent casing by hand, release the slide lock and then pull the slide all the way back to chamber the next round. According to Tom H Keith, a former Navy SEAL who served during the Vietnam War and used the weapon regularly, stated that regardless of any practicing with the weapon, the fastest interval between shots any of the SEALs could pull off was 4 seconds. That should make it even, and adding a very skill based 9 not literal aiming skill, as in actual player skill 0 weapon mechanic for this gun, having to plan each shot very carefully to successfully utilize the weapon properly without alerting zombies, in addition to making the player have to consider whether or not that moment is the opportune time to fire, the amount of zed in the area and the next movements they should make to avoid them until the next shot is ready to fire. I think this would make a very balanced weapon, hell, might even make TIS proud for having a gun that requires thought to use and is also fair for the player to use.

 

HDM - This gun was around before the Hush Puppy came in to replace during Vietnam, it was used by the OSS, CIA and during the Cold and Gulf Wars. It features and internal suppressor which reportedly reduced sound output by a whopping 20 decibels. It's a semi auto design, less quiet than the Hush Puppy because the slide works normally, fires .22LR from a 10 round magazine and has fixed sights, so it's not necessarily a marksman gun.

 

 

Okay, for the last 10 guns, I'm just gonna free form it, no theme, just guns.

 

Colt Woodsman - This fairly common semi auto .22LR design was first patented during WWI and production was continued into the late 70's for small game hunting. Its lightweight, compact design 9 1.85 lbs 0 also earned the acclaim of the US military which ordered them during both World Wars. No effective range could be found, but keep in mind this was marketed as a marksman pistol and was used for competition shooting during the early WWII era. Also let it be noted that the Woodsman and the HDM share the same magazine.

 

Brownie - A Mossberg design, this quad barreled pocket pistol was chambered in .22LR, weighs .7 lbs, double action. Obviously, not a super accurate thing, just a little gun. Made way before the COP .357 came out, which raises the idea that maybe this was the inspiration for such a unique gun.

 

Mossberg 464 - Nothing particularly fancy here, just a .22LR lever action, still being produced today, she weighs 5.7 lbs and can hold up to 13 rounds. Barrel is blued steel, like was the fashion of the 1800's, put it in common, put it in rare, can't go wrong either way. Still, lever actions are pretty cool, and it's fairly popular among nostalgia seekers.

 

Governor - Snub nosed SW Z frame design, this multi caliber gun purposed for home defense is a nice little piece. She weighs 1.8 lbs, and can fire .410 bore, .45 ACP and .45 Colt, which makes it a useful little tool, it's a double action and has blade/notch sights, but being manufactured for the purpose of home defense with a snub, it won't have super human accuracy, but it'll get the job done, especially when it's loaded with that .410.

 

Model 52, Model 952 - Weighing in at 2.5 lbs, this SW semi auto design bears a strikingly similar 9 and attractive 0 appearance to the Hush Puppy, but is chambered in .38 Special. It's short recoil and has a surprisingly small 5 round magazine. Another little pistol to decrease the likelihood of getting another Beretta 92F. The Model 952 is an updated variant of the Model 52 chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum featuring a 9 round magazine and a longer barrel for more precise shooting. It weighs 3 lbs and is still being produced today, having been unveiled in 2006.

 

Model 317 Kit - SW double action, 8 round cylinder, double action. Need I say more 9 actually, yes that's next to no information 0 anyway it fires .22LR, has adjustable sights giving it a slight accuracy advantage over a few other revolvers, and weighs an astonishingly low .75 lbs. Sounds like a pretty good deal, light, compact, accurate and quieter than all the screaming high caliber revolvers at the cost of damage. Keep in mind that Kit is just part of the name, it does not actually have anything to do with any kits.

 

R51 - Drawing from John Pederson's design, this 9x19mm Parabellum semi auto pistol has a similar appearance to the Walther PPK but features a unique 'hesitation locked action' developed by John Pederson, who was considered by John Moses Browning as the best firearms designer of his time. It has a weight of 1.4 lbs, a magazine capacity of 7, and has adjustable sights. Remington has plans to release it in .40 SW and .45 ACP but as that has not occurred yet, it cannot be suggested for those calibers.

 

Nylon 66 - Remington took a big gamble which paid off massively with this mostly synthetic gun, being produced from the late 50's to late 80's, many did not trust the synthetic parts and preferred wood frames and metallic parts. However because of the synthetic parts, it was able to be used very reliably in colder and more humid regions which led to its huge commercial success. Anyway, it's a .22LR, weighs 4 lbs, and holds 14 rounds in a magazine tube.

 

And of course, the final gun, one that has to be something so utterly insane, cool and extraordinarily rare. And for the sake of accurately conveying how awesome it is, I won't be analytical or restrain excitement and crass language, profanity will not be watched for this one.

 

CONVERTED AXE GUN -  Yes, you may release your orgasms, this gun is exactly what it sounds like  . Originally produced in 17th century Germany, as a flintlock handgun design, a firearms company reproduces them in .22LR. To clarify, this is not an axe that has been converted to a gun, this is a gun with an axe built onto it, not a removable bayonet. It is still a single shot design, and accuracy may be a bit off if you're trying to one hand it, on account of the weight of a GODDAMN HATCHET on your gun. While it is only produced in .22LR nowadays, considering what it is, I'd like to argue that if it does get put in; put it in as something like a .500 SW, .50AE or .50 BMG, some absurdly large and damaging caliber considering it only holds one shot and can't be used as a gun effectively in one hand 9 also saying you have a .50 caliber axe sounds a lot cooler than a .22 caliber axe   0. This sexy lil' mama weighs 4 lbs, is somewhat dangerous to reload considering that the break action pushes the axe towards the shooter. Now when it is used as an axe, I think it should degrade much faster considering that the grip is being swung to smash the hatchet at the end of the barrel into something, endangering it of breaking in half, although I do think the gun itself should be pretty durable considering how insanely rare these things are. I think that's pretty much it, the option to use it as an axe is there, although it should degrade faster when used as such because that's a lot of physical abuse on the gun, and because of the rarity it should be a pretty durable build. In conclusion this is the epitome of the 'COME GET SOME, FUCKER' guns. I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message. 9

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and here's some proof that this thing exists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_sword

 

P.S Have fun seeing if this can fit in a quote, and I apologize to the in game model maker, he's got a lot of work ahead of him XD

 

And I understand I'm the ultimate towel boy at this point haha.

 

Holy War and Peace, Batman.

 

You should write a gun anthology.

 

Mare's Leg, you are right, when you saw down any of the lever actions, they are technically Mare's Legs. I might add one of the Rossi Mare's Legs though just so you don't need a saw to get one.

 

Remington 1740, Winchester 101, and the P7s, sure, why not.

 

Beretta M38, I will put it on there but it will be on the very rare side, and so will the Rem 1740 for that matter

 

The FAMARS Rombo is a beautiful gun, will be very rare but definitely in there.

 

I will probably avoid the Villar Perosa for now, it is quite insane, but first faster <> better, second while the concept of throwing 25-50 rounds in one second sounds nice (and would be somewhat effective in "real life" against zombies) The way the game handles firing means it would be a lot of wasted ammunition.

 

Yes on the Beretta pistols, but I am still going back and forth on the Franchi LF-57... They only made a few for the Italian Navy in the 60s so I don't know how you would find one in Kentucky... but I will put it on the list for now. I may change my mind later.

 

Yes on the Colts and the Webleys, mostly because I am proud you didn't give me one gun to one new ammo... They will be rare, but I am open to it.

 

Yes to the M1941 and I will add a Winchester in the .303 to the list.

 

I will add the Bushmaster M17S under the K&M M17S as they are the new producer of that design.

 

I'm gonna skip the Arm Rifle... too rare and little to no info.

 

Yes to the Reisings, the UD M42, the Carl Gustav m/45, STEN, F1, Sterlings, hush puppy and Hi Standard HDM

 

Yes on the Colt woodsman through the S&W 952, but no on the M317 just due to lack of info.

 

Yes on the R51 and the Nylon 66

 

I really appreciate your enthusiasm. That said... I don't know if I can get behind the hatchet-gun. Mostly because I have not figured out how to get a bayonet function to work effectively (swapping weapons via code is sloppy and by experience leads to bad things like ammo disappearing. ) Maybe if I every get that kind of function working, we can revisit it.

 

Thank you as always for you breadth of research, your energy and kind words!

 

Can you add crossbows and bows? but you may change the mod name to ORMtnMan's Real Weapons mod

 

I think I will avoid those for now... there is already a crossbow mod out there, zomboid xbow I think.

[Nero's Shadow]

The whole idea of reloading rounds is ambitious indeed, but possibly a bit much to undertake.

[ORMtnMan]

The whole idea of reloading rounds is ambitious indeed, but possibly a bit much to undertake.

 

Huh?

[Bourbon]

ORMtnMan, What are your thoughts on reloding of ammunition in the upcomming build of the mod? Does it come at all?

 

 

Quote form your first post:

Reloading Press - Doesn't make sense given you can find a relatively infinite supply of ammo from zombies, you just need to kill them to get it.

 

It sure doesnt sound like it is comming. But I would love to tinker with my ammo ingame. Mabye die from a gun exploding in my charakters face...

[ORMtnMan]

ORMtnMan, What are your thoughts on reloding of ammunition in the upcomming build of the mod? Does it come at all?

 

 

Quote form your first post:

Reloading Press - Doesn't make sense given you can find a relatively infinite supply of ammo from zombies, you just need to kill them to get it.

 

It sure doesnt sound like it is comming. But I would love to tinker with my ammo ingame. Mabye die from a gun exploding in my charakters face...

 

Maybe eventually, making the gun explode is more difficult than it sounds code wise. Also custom ammo with different powder levels would require some insane coding... I can think of a few ways though

[KINGKICKASS1552]

Alright, so taking some time to read over, I can see I've got a few more guns to replace. But in all honesty I'm pretty glad that not every suggestion made the cut, because that shows that there's challenge to get these implemented and care for quality of the mod.  And they're over concerns that I had too about them 9 mainly the Villar Perosa, I did think that was quite a bit of ammo to be expending in one second, but panic guns 0, but figured they were worth a shot. The only thing I've got to ask is regarding the information, as I do try to do a fair bit of research, but sometimes there are just so few reliable sources. I know it specifies in the front page regarding suggestions for guns but on a few of the guns I was a bit confused why they weren't accepted, and I think the biggest question, especially regarding the guns I suggest is; are you looking for production numbers and years produced/

 

I am now accepting rarer police and military guns as well, though try to not give me suggestions for rare or obscure calibers (as I do not want to overload on ammo types) 9 Can other ammo types still be suggested, or were the inclusion of the Webley's and the .41LC's an accommodation for the number of guns in those types/ 0

 

Give me a reason on why you think the gun should be included (following the parameters above)

Provide as much info as possible (weight, clip size, caliber etc.), the more info you provide the more likely/faster it will be included.

 

Because regarding the M317 Kit and Arm Pistol 9 and I'll accept that the Arm Pistol is probably too rare because it most likely is 0 but the only things I saw missing from both suggestions were production numbers. Other than that, there was missing range data in the Kit, but given that it has better sights it would have higher accuracy than other revolvers with range to match. And the other missing from the Arm Pistol was the rounds per minute. So if I can get the range data and production numbers for the Kit could it be reconsidered/ And I do understand that the Arm Pistol is probably just too rare to include, I'll find a different gun to suggest along with an equally cool, yet more sound and easier to implement gun for the Axe Pistol. 

 

So if that's what needs to be found, production numbers and range data, I'll make sure to include those in my next suggestions. And I really don't mean to sound whiny or like I'm twisting your arm on these suggestions, but if I do inadvertently come off as such, I apologize. 9 Really, I cannot stand to considered a bleeder, I'm an accommodating person 0

 

Finally for the explanations for military guns from other nations, having read Tom H. Keith's book on his experiences as a Navy SEAL in Vietnam, he states that he was allowed to bring back guns 9 An SKS, an AK and an M1 carbine, funny enough he refused to take home his M-16 because he thought it performed so unbelievably poorly. 0 he captured from Viet Cong during his tours of duty 9 1968-1970 9 to the States as 'War trophies'. This, along with the number of WWII weapons making it back home to be sold privately from veterans in the US rather than returned to the military led me to the conclusion that veterans may bring back weapons they personally capture back home to be owned privately by them. In addition to veterans, other means of obtaining these military weapons include veterans who live in the country of manufacture returning home with their favorite service weapons and then either relocating themselves to the United States, or sell them through internet or international gun auctions, such as the Rock Island Gun Auction, where hundreds of thousands of rare and fascinating weapons are sold annually by sellers from all over the world. So that's the reasoning for these guns I suggest. And just as a side note, if the LF-57 is not reasonable enough to keep in the mod, there is the Beretta Model 12 which appears and functions somewhat similarly, and although I have developed an attachment to the LF-57, I believe there's a reasonable compromise, in the case that the LF-57 is to be removed, in the Beretta Model 12 9 which was used in Vietnam 0, so if you'd like to interchange the two, I'd be more than willing to provide stats.

 

And once more, I'd like to thank you for your continuing work on the mod as well as the careful suggestion selection process. And as for the ammo duplication glitch, I believe it stems from that the gun being unloaded must first be equipped in the Primary slot before it continues through the process and it does not do that. So if you had it be equipped in the Primary slot and put in a check for the ammo currently in the magazine, and should it stay at the same amount, the check would then remove the necessary number of bullets from the magazine and put the corresponding ammo in the main inventory. 9 like how guns go from bags to the main inventory when switching fire modes 0 then the glitch would be fixed, and though I lack the technical knowledge to correct it, that seems to be the logical error the system makes in the unloading process.

[Reblar]

I noticed you have the Taurus Raging Judge but not the regular Taurus Judge on your list, do you plan on adding it by chance?

[Snakeman]

We need descriptions for all weapons and ammo!!! make this mod more informatic, i send to you the suggestion for pm!

[Mikhail Reign]

Its threads like this that remind me how screwy yanks are with guns. I live in a town of about 150,000 - if every single person disappeared tonight, I think it would take me about a week of hunting to find a gun (excluding police stations and the 1 gun-shop that we have) and that gun would most likely be an old under/over shotgun from the 1950's. I'm sure that their would be a couple of collectors with a few price pieces, but they would be an outlier and not even close to being a minority. If you asked people in my country to name guns the answer you would get is 'pistol, rifle, machine gun' - hell you can't even buy a double sided knife here and you need a gun license to get a paintball market.

Then I read stuff like this, see videos on the internet and I'm just like 'holy shit you guys have a rager for firearms'. It seems like at least one in ten would own a gun of some type. Scary as hell.

Anyway, got nothing against the mod, use it myself to add some variance to the stuff you find in world. Its just that every time I see something like this it is just such a culture shock...

[INoEmo]

Its threads like this that remind me how screwy yanks are with guns. I live in a town of about 150,000 - if every single person disappeared tonight, I think it would take me about a week of hunting to find a gun (excluding police stations and the 1 gun-shop that we have) and that gun would most likely be an old under/over shotgun from the 1950's. I'm sure that their would be a couple of collectors with a few price pieces, but they would be an outlier and not even close to being a minority. If you asked people in my country to name guns the answer you would get is 'pistol, rifle, machine gun' - hell you can't even buy a double sided knife here and you need a gun license to get a paintball market.

Then I read stuff like this, see videos on the internet and I'm just like 'holy shit you guys have a rager for firearms'. It seems like at least one in ten would own a gun of some type. Scary as hell.

Anyway, got nothing against the mod, use it myself to add some variance to the stuff you find in world. Its just that every time I see something like this it is just such a culture shock...

Australia?

[Mikhail Reign]

How'd ya tell?

[ORMtnMan]

Alright, so taking some time to read over, I can see I've got a few more guns to replace. But in all honesty I'm pretty glad that not every suggestion made the cut, because that shows that there's challenge to get these implemented and care for quality of the mod.  And they're over concerns that I had too about them 9 mainly the Villar Perosa, I did think that was quite a bit of ammo to be expending in one second, but panic guns 0, but figured they were worth a shot. The only thing I've got to ask is regarding the information, as I do try to do a fair bit of research, but sometimes there are just so few reliable sources. I know it specifies in the front page regarding suggestions for guns but on a few of the guns I was a bit confused why they weren't accepted, and I think the biggest question, especially regarding the guns I suggest is; are you looking for production numbers and years produced/

 

I am now accepting rarer police and military guns as well, though try to not give me suggestions for rare or obscure calibers (as I do not want to overload on ammo types) 9 Can other ammo types still be suggested, or were the inclusion of the Webley's and the .41LC's an accommodation for the number of guns in those types/ 0

 

Give me a reason on why you think the gun should be included (following the parameters above)

Provide as much info as possible (weight, clip size, caliber etc.), the more info you provide the more likely/faster it will be included.

 

Because regarding the M317 Kit and Arm Pistol 9 and I'll accept that the Arm Pistol is probably too rare because it most likely is 0 but the only things I saw missing from both suggestions were production numbers. Other than that, there was missing range data in the Kit, but given that it has better sights it would have higher accuracy than other revolvers with range to match. And the other missing from the Arm Pistol was the rounds per minute. So if I can get the range data and production numbers for the Kit could it be reconsidered/ And I do understand that the Arm Pistol is probably just too rare to include, I'll find a different gun to suggest along with an equally cool, yet more sound and easier to implement gun for the Axe Pistol. 

 

So if that's what needs to be found, production numbers and range data, I'll make sure to include those in my next suggestions. And I really don't mean to sound whiny or like I'm twisting your arm on these suggestions, but if I do inadvertently come off as such, I apologize. 9 Really, I cannot stand to considered a bleeder, I'm an accommodating person 0

 

Finally for the explanations for military guns from other nations, having read Tom H. Keith's book on his experiences as a Navy SEAL in Vietnam, he states that he was allowed to bring back guns 9 An SKS, an AK and an M1 carbine, funny enough he refused to take home his M-16 because he thought it performed so unbelievably poorly. 0 he captured from Viet Cong during his tours of duty 9 1968-1970 9 to the States as 'War trophies'. This, along with the number of WWII weapons making it back home to be sold privately from veterans in the US rather than returned to the military led me to the conclusion that veterans may bring back weapons they personally capture back home to be owned privately by them. In addition to veterans, other means of obtaining these military weapons include veterans who live in the country of manufacture returning home with their favorite service weapons and then either relocating themselves to the United States, or sell them through internet or international gun auctions, such as the Rock Island Gun Auction, where hundreds of thousands of rare and fascinating weapons are sold annually by sellers from all over the world. So that's the reasoning for these guns I suggest. And just as a side note, if the LF-57 is not reasonable enough to keep in the mod, there is the Beretta Model 12 which appears and functions somewhat similarly, and although I have developed an attachment to the LF-57, I believe there's a reasonable compromise, in the case that the LF-57 is to be removed, in the Beretta Model 12 9 which was used in Vietnam 0, so if you'd like to interchange the two, I'd be more than willing to provide stats.

 

And once more, I'd like to thank you for your continuing work on the mod as well as the careful suggestion selection process. And as for the ammo duplication glitch, I believe it stems from that the gun being unloaded must first be equipped in the Primary slot before it continues through the process and it does not do that. So if you had it be equipped in the Primary slot and put in a check for the ammo currently in the magazine, and should it stay at the same amount, the check would then remove the necessary number of bullets from the magazine and put the corresponding ammo in the main inventory. 9 like how guns go from bags to the main inventory when switching fire modes 0 then the glitch would be fixed, and though I lack the technical knowledge to correct it, that seems to be the logical error the system makes in the unloading process.

 

As a guide post, when a gun doesn't have easily accessable information it means that it is incredibly rare. For instance, when the arm pistol has 2 sentences on their wiki page... But really the info I need to make it work is weight and fire rate. Also some pther background info is good so I can better evaluate the reliability sound, etc.

 

Depends on the ammo type... I don't want to get into the stupidly rare calibers. .41 was pushing it, but the .455 was at least well used with the webeley revolvers. So I will make the determination when it is suggested and after I do research if needed.

 

Again, some comes from how rare the gun is but mostly it has to do with getting techincal specs like weight, fire rate, action, that sort of thing.

 

I might be able to do the M31 Kit gun as S&W has it up on their website...

 

As for foreign guns, I don't mind them so much unless they are so obscure I can't believe they would be readily found here. For example russian guns and viet nam guns fairly reasonable. Chinese QBZ-95 rifles and their proprietary round the 5.8x42mm? Probably not gonna happen. The QBZ-97 maybe...

 

Anyway, the ammo dupe glitch will be fixed in the next version, I just lack the wherewithal and motivation to fix it on the current version.

 

I noticed you have the Taurus Raging Judge but not the regular Taurus Judge on your list, do you plan on adding it by chance?

 

Good point, I'll pop it on the list

 

We need descriptions for all weapons and ammo!!! make this mod more informatic, i send to you the suggestion for pm!

 

I got it and will respond to you shortly!

 

Its threads like this that remind me how screwy yanks are with guns. I live in a town of about 150,000 - if every single person disappeared tonight, I think it would take me about a week of hunting to find a gun (excluding police stations and the 1 gun-shop that we have) and that gun would most likely be an old under/over shotgun from the 1950's. I'm sure that their would be a couple of collectors with a few price pieces, but they would be an outlier and not even close to being a minority. If you asked people in my country to name guns the answer you would get is 'pistol, rifle, machine gun' - hell you can't even buy a double sided knife here and you need a gun license to get a paintball market.

Then I read stuff like this, see videos on the internet and I'm just like 'holy shit you guys have a rager for firearms'. It seems like at least one in ten would own a gun of some type. Scary as hell.

Anyway, got nothing against the mod, use it myself to add some variance to the stuff you find in world. Its just that every time I see something like this it is just such a culture shock...

 

Well your country did an amazing job regulating guns. Nothing we could get away with here in the States. So, bravo on you guys.

[Lexx2k]

Out of curiosity: Is the mod already compatible with the latest build 33.20 ? Tried it, but I don't think it is activated at all- thing is, it seems none of my mods are activated. Even if I toggle them in the menu they seem to be un-toggled again the next time I look. Now I am not sure if this is a problem on my end of if the mods simply aren't compatible yet.

[Bourbon]

I would rrrrrreeeeaaaaally want an SKS, but I cannot find one out there (checked Gun Shop and Shooting Range)

 

Is there a way to cheat it?

[ORMtnMan]

Out of curiosity: Is the mod already compatible with the latest build 33.20 ? Tried it, but I don't think it is activated at all- thing is, it seems none of my mods are activated. Even if I toggle them in the menu they seem to be un-toggled again the next time I look. Now I am not sure if this is a problem on my end of if the mods simply aren't compatible yet.

 

You know, I have no idea... I have been too busy to code or play this game since the update...

 

I would rrrrrreeeeaaaaally want an SKS, but I cannot find one out there (checked Gun Shop and Shooting Range)

 

Is there a way to cheat it?

 

Currently the "end" key will give you everything in the mod. So you will have to drop a lot of stuff, but such is the price of a free SKS

 

EDIT: Or you can find the file in which the End key function is and remove all the items but the SKS then use it. Its an adventure in coding!