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I think that they need some different variations of ammunition, the list of ones I can think of are as follows: FMJ-Full Metal Jacket BB-Ball Bering JHP-Jacketed Hollowpoint JSP-Jacketed Softpoint MAG-Magnum AP-Armor Penetrating HPBT-Hollow Point Boat Tail Im sure there are others that I didn't mention, but I figured a small list of variations would be nice.

Ammo reloading would be a great way to get extra ammo your low on and manage to get your ingame reloading skill up a bit! When reloading a round it requires a bullet, primer, casing, and gunpowder! It would be nice to ingame maybe get this so like i said we could get more ammo easier or maybe have it to where you have to have maybe level 5 reloading to start doing this? Maybe even having a certain level in the new smithing to do this? It's just a suggestion but feed back and comments on this would be great to tell me if i left something out.

"37% of Americans say they or someone in their household owns a gun" according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted in February, 2013. A 2007 study by the U.N.'s Office on Drugs and Crime found that the United States, which has 5% of the world's population, owns 50% of the world's guns. Another Pew Research Center study found that people living in a rural area were twice as likely to own a gun as those living in an urban area. I'm just saying, while searching through houses in a rural area of Kentucky, it doesn't feel like I'm finding a proportionate amount of 50% of the worlds guns.

I'll try to keep this relatively 'simple'. Aiming and Firing The aiming system we have in-game right now isn't all that great; You look in the general direction and hit a target without really aiming at all. I haven't played multiplayer yet but I don't really think that the current aiming system will work very well with it at all. I think hand-to-hand weapons are okay, but guns aren't. First of all, with the 3D system, when aiming, arms should be slightly detached from look direction, so it's a sort of keyhole aiming style. So if I'm facing forward, I can move my character's arms still to aim within that 45 degree forward direction. Bullets would be fired towards the mouse cursor, however would take height into account too. Say you're got a zombie next to a wall, he's standing still, so it's purely a target to shoot at. If you howver the cursor over the grass in front of the zombie, the gun will be 'aiming' at the ground, so the bullet will hit the dirt. If you hover the cursor over the zombie's legs, it's aiming at that height, and will hit the legs. If you hover the cursor a little above his head on the wall behind him, the bullet will hit above him. This would work by having an invisible 'aim target' attached to the cursor, which would move across the space in 3D, up and down walls, along the ground, etc, kind of like a laser pointer from the gun to the mouse. The gun would then trace a ray from the gun's 3D position (even from rooftops or balconies) towards that point in space, and if it intersects with something along the way then that is what it will hit. For example, you're on a three-story building rooftop, in front of you is two-story building with one zombie on the roof. You aim your mouse cursor at the road behind that building, so although you've aimed at the road, if the 3D ray passes through the zombie, it would hit him. This ray would be invisible, and the aiming would not be 100% accurate (skills would play a larger role here), but I think this would work really well for making sure PVP gunfights aren't a "I can click faster than you" affair. Gunshot Wounds So to combat the DayZ style bloodlust that some players may have, gunshot wounds should be dangerous, but not instakill dangerous. Basically, the player body model is already in-game, you've got your body parts which can be damaged, etc. So depending on where the raycast hit point is on player's avater, that part of the body would be damaged with a gunshot wound. A gunshot wound would cause bleeding and agony, and the 'Needs medical attention' moodle would linger until the bullet is removed. You could get lucky and the bullet may pass through you entirely, but if not, then you could risk trying to pull it out yourself (and likely infect your wound), or try to find a doctor. Depending on where the bullet hits, you would have effects to your character: Head = Instant kill Neck = Death in under 5 seconds, slow movement, heavy bleeding Chest = Death in under 10 seconds, slow movement, crawling, heavy bleeding Stomach = Slow movement, crawling, heavy bleeding, possible passing out (Likely needs someone to drag you to safety and carry you back to camp) Legs = Limping or crawling, bleeding Arms = Decreased melee damage, decreased pushback force, bleeding And also, all gunshot wounds should be treated properly, and I believe the devs plan to overhaul the medical system which would definitely play into this to ensure the wound doesn't become infected. Having these effects for getting shot would make it more of a risk to try and shoot someone. These factors would come into play: -You may miss. Result = DEAD -You may hit them and they may shoot you back. Result = INJURED -You may kill them and their buddy shoots you. Result = INJURED OR DEAD -You may kill them and steal their supplies. Result = ALIVE So you'd need to be a good shot, you'd need to be quick enough to pull your gun, aim accurately (+ have good aiming skill), and shoot them before they can react and run/start shooting, and even if you down them, they could still shoot you before they bleed out. Taking Cover This one isn't so big, but I believe sneaking will make players crouch low in future versions, so having more low objects like cars and what-not would allow for some really intenses gunfights. Well, those were my ideas as simple as I could get them, still pretty long, but let me know what you think. This would be a lot of work for the devs but I personally think that in order to have PvP being fun and giving players a chance to defend against griefers and bandits, this is the way it should be done. Thanks for taking the time to read through. -Ben

Greetings fellow PZ Community I know firearms are supposed to be loud AF, and Zeds should be attracted to sound. But I would like to be able to use firearms without aggroing half of the town ! Until now I have always used firearms to relocate zombies from one place to another, but never in the purpose of killing zombies. That's something that lacks to the game IMHO, especially with such an awesome mod as ORGM. I have read topics regarding gun suppressors, and players as much as devs were vehemently against implementing suppressors. That's all right by me. But some people enjoy games differently than others ; while I love traveling through the land of Skyrim with tons of lore-friendly mods, adding realistic features, realistic combat system etc... some other people enjoy it by replacing dragons with cute pink flying pegasus ponies, replacing mighty Thu'um shouts with deadly farts, and many more. To each their own, heh ? So my request is the following : could someone make a small mod to nerf zombies' hearing when it comes to gunshots ? Or maybe with the game's words : greatly reduce weapons' noise ? Thank you very much in advance

Is it possible to make a mod that forces a player to change their reloading difficulty such as to force them to use magazines and rack the gun? This would mainly be for mp servers to make using a gun a bit more interactive then just hitting reload.

So i am attempting to change how the aiming system works by the player. I was thinking you could change the angle to make the line narrow enough it would require the player to have to aim at each zombie they want. I also heard i can add -Debug to the bat file so it will display the angle each gun can shoot within but i cant seem to find which bat file that is and also am wondering if its as simple as changing the angle to get what i want.

Shooting down to street level from higher floors. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One of the many strategies I've used, is rush with a buddy to a 2nd story building and barricade the door leading to the ladder. Sometimes there is a LOT of hordes waiting for me outside. It's kind of frustrating being able to see some of them but not being able to shoot. So what if, When standing next to a window, if you shoot it shoots on the first floor. This would work very well once, hunting rifles come out, you just sit on your safehouse, and if you see a zed. just Shoot. I would also like to implement the idea of being able to peek and look down windows. Because sometimes that's where i'm jumping down to, and sometimes there's just zombies waiting for me there.

There is a difference between bladed weapons and blunt weapons when it comes to aim in-game. IMO there should be a difference between two handed firearms and one handed firearms (I am using those two terms to encompass shotguns, i.e. not rifles vs pistols). Not only are two handed weapons much easier to aim IRL, but this would stop KOSers who level up "Aiming" quickly with a shotgun and then switch to a pistol. Ability to shoot a rifle accurately ~= ability to shoot a pistol accurately Just a thought.

Hello reader and or devs! I am just going to make a straightforward suggestions (bullet point form) mainly to do with guns. (the other part is to do with gun modding, guns and vehicles and bullets) First in civilian bullet cases, then military. Guns: Assault rifle(s) (varying calibers like .308, .300, .273, .223, or 7.62, 6.8, 5.56 in military terms. some are to be single, full auto, burst and or interchangeable firing typesHigh powered sniper rifle(s) (.338 LUPAU, 12.7 BMG etc)Explosives (grenades [frag, concussive, flash bang, incendiary etc, molitov cocktail [zombie game must], grenade launchers?, rocket launchers [RPG, LAW etc], mines etcShotgun types (magazine fed one, auto shotgun)Handguns (revolvers [.22,.357, 44] .45 auto handguns, etc]\Weapon jamming (based on condition) Gun "modding": How do you do it? I consulted the wiki and tried my best to modify guns in game, but it didn't really do anything.Extended magazines for magazine fed weapons"Strip" clips (bullets attached together) for rifles (significantly reduces reloading time, but have to be manually reloaded into the strip clip)Removing the "reloading difficulty" (I find it that you should have to manually feed rounds into the magazine where applicable then insert the magazinePerhaps increase reloading exp? I find reloading is the longest skill to actually level (maybe farming, I have not looked it up or farmed yet so I do not know)Being able to "sight in" a gun with a screwdriver, which lightly (5%-15% based on your aiming skill) repairs it and makes it slightly more (2%-5%) more accurate/further rangedGun parts (allows the player to use it to repair guns, instead of having the gun. even maybe having modification parts like a match grade trigger for higher rate of fire etc)Weapon cleaning kits (a clean weapon is less likely to jam and the condition deteriorates slower the cleaner it is, while a dirty weapon does the inverse effect)(as mentioned before) Match grade trigger (increases fire rate of non-automatic/burst fire weaponsCustom bolt increases the fire rate for any bolt action weaponCustom pump increase the fire rate of any pump (shotgun) based weaponBolt polish temporarily increases the fire rate of a bolt action weapon (based on your aiming skill, use of the weapon and weapon condition should last between 5-100 shots Gun related things (items, traits, skills etc) Ammo boxes! (yes i am aware of ammo boxes, but they often take 2-4 drops of ammunition. what i mean here is a larger version of that, one that holds many ammo types. maybe make it so you can equip it or keep it for storage purposesVaried amounts of ammunition (instead of finding the exact same number of rounds, make it vary! it can be effected by the lucky skill. make it so you can find anywhere between 1-15 rounds of ammunition for 9mm, 1-12 rounds for shotguns. because of this change, the chance of you finding ammunition should be increased. say if it is 10% chance without lucky, increase it to 15-20%. (with lucky between 20-25%) makes the game much more immersive in my opinionAmmo magnet: increases the minimum (if applicable) and maximum (if applicable) amount of ammunition you find (i'll let you guys figure out the percentage)I'm out!: reduces the amount of ammunition you find Unrelated idea Have professions with a starting item(s)! (would cost a lot of trait points though. examples, veteran could have a sawn-off shotgun, police officer with a handgun, night security with a flashlight etc.)

Dunno if it's just me, but I seem to find pistols WAY more often than ammo, for corpses at least. And I think that'd be fair to have guns spawned with a random quantity of ammunition inside the mag.

Just wondering what in-game advantages a sawn-off shotgun has over a regular shotgun, and/or vise versa?

I apologize firstly for the small book below, and if this has been suggested previously, as I am new to the forum. I've been playing PZ for a while, and have thought that a reloading system (similar to "Fallout: New Vegas") would be a major addition to the game. As an avid shooter in real life, I understand the advantage of having the tools required to reuse my spent shell casings. It isn't a hobby EVERY shooter does, but I'm sure every shooter appreciates. In the game, I understand that we are trying to survive, and not scrounge on mall parking lots looking for little brass shell casings (hard enough to find when you aren't looking over your shoulder for zombies) but if the player were able to find occasional small and rarely large caches of used, empty brass (or hulls, for shotgun...of course) and able to find lead fishing weights or tire weights, BBs or anything that could be melted and poured into a mold (nails for a shotgun shell...picture it...you know you want to), it would add to the atmospheric realism, as in a war-torn suburban region (especially in Kentucky) these would be fairly common. Regular smokeless gunpowder would have to be scavenged, but blackpowder can be made from natural materials (no, I'm not familiar with what exactly they are, but it is something a lot of preppers talk about doing). The only other element would be finding primers (the part of the cartridge that ignites the powder...makes it go boom). These come in sleeves of 100 in real life, and if a cache of reloading supplies were found, they would likely be in the mix. The best example i can give is to check out "Fallout: New Vegas's" reloading system. You can find the brass and hulls in the world, and for every round fired, theres a percent chance (i don't know what, maybe 20%) that you will recieve an empty case. The powder is found in jars, and cannot be crafted. The bullets are constructed from a parent materieal simply referred to as "lead." Primers are also found in the world...there are different sizes but i wont go into that for the purpose of this post. An example cartridge would require 1 case (of respective cartridge, since PZ doesnt deal with cartridge, it would simply be 'pistol' or 'shotgun shell'), lets say 5 powder, 1 primer, and 7 lead. Bigger cartridges would take more powder and more lead and so on. In F:NV the player must use reloading stations that cannot be moved...however in PZ, the use of single-stage, hand presses could be used to allow hauling back to base camp. The other advantage this could allow...again pointing at Fallout...is the ability to craft different types of rounds. Although armor piercing (until you have the military to deal with) wouldnt be practical, the use of hollow-point (HP) and jacketed-soft-point (JSP) would grant some combat bonuses. Maybe I'm getting too deep with this, I just know it's a valid skill. I'm aware it would really take some doing to do it right, but it would give an extra dynamic to the shooting element of the game. The use of smokeless vs blackpowder would cause some grief in real life, and would demand constant cleaning of guns...so it would be a matter of where do we draw the line. It would also possibly open up a new 'profession' for participants in a role-playing server. Someone who can keep you in ammo is as important as your botanist and your doctor.

This is something really simple that's bugged me for a long time. When using your gun you don't know how many more shots you have left. I know it is like real life but you should be able to click a button and have you remove the mag and count the bullets. it would save a lot of wasted shots and unneeded reloading. The second idea is being able to unload guns. *drops mic.

I haven't noticed anyone else suggest this but i didn't delve far into the forum! What i was thinking was having a flashlight attachment for guns that take two hands to carry, this would enable the user to see better at night time and would be a huge help on multiplayer! (say you're going out at night with a group or alone whatever your option to scavenge, get revenge on others or whatever it is you funky ass people do! you're going to need to see at night and isn't unrealistic in any manner) It could aid in accuracy in dark areas e.g houses once the power has gone out, going out at night, but would make you more visible to zombies as they would be attracted to the light. I don't think it would be unrealistic to find these flashlights in a gun shop, shooting range or police station...but i wouldn't really know as i'm a UK player myself and we rarely see guns, but i just think it wouldn't be very farfetched at all! Anyway have fun surviving!

A minimalist version of the TommyGuns Mod. This mod contains the following: AR-15Remington 700MacheteSurvival AxeSuppressor for the ARSuppressor for the vanilla pistolRucksack Enjoy!

As a gun enthusiast and full supporter of game realism, the addition of weapon optics to Project Zomboid was a great start. Having scopes with zoom capabilities for long range targets and red dot sight for close range. But I know from experience that there is a easy tweak that would make using an optic far more realistic. If you’ve ever shot a gun with a zoom optic, then you know that your vision is narrowed on the spot that you’re aiming at. The more powerful the zoom or the closer your point of aim is, the more narrow your field of view becomes. In addition, when using a zoom scope, the only eye that you keep open is looking down the sight, making your peripheral vision almost negligible. When it comes to red dots, you keep both eyes open when aiming. This allows your peripherals to be utilized far more reliable and effectively. But this also means you won’t have any magnification on our optic, thus decreasing the red dot’s effectiveness at longer range. As I said, I love realistic games. The more minute a detail seems, the cooler I think it is. So I think it would be a great idea for vision to be narrowed when aiming. With what little coding “experience” I have, it would seem to me that it wouldn’t take a great deal of effort to use the lighting system that is already in place to narrow a player’s vision in various ways when aiming at different ranges with different optics. Personally, I think it would be a much needed addition to the firearm system (as much as I love this game, I think it’s fair to say that the firearm mechanics are still a work in progress). From what I’ve seen, this game has always been all about realism. I think adding that little twist of only being able to see where you’re aiming would put a new and more realistic spin on this game.

OK I've been looking into resent suggestions and have seen somewhat of what I'm suggesting but not the full thing and if this is wrong for me to post this please do tell. So what I was thinking was Gun stats and attributes. The attributes affecting the stats and the stats affecting the Gun/Weapon. I was reading the Big No's and I saw no specific names for the firearms like AK47 or M14 as it said and this I can understand, it makes things alot easier, that being said I do think that it would be a good thing have. Now when I say attributes I mean like scopes or extended magazines and the stats give some over view of the weapons overall damage, accuracy, durability, etc. These attributes can be classified as just Rifle Scope and giving a +6 accuracy to said rifle obviously this system could go very in depth to how weapons work and I do realize that I'm mainly targeting firearms but this can also work with melee weapons as in sharping a knife or everyone's favorite a nailed bat. I do believe that this could make specifically guns more of a burden as they would not be as good with out attributes than with thus making a rifle near useless without a scope. I understand if this is not wanted, as it would be a fairly lengthy process to get all the factors in but, please consider my suggestion.

I found it kind of annoying how when you find guns, they're always empty. I was wondering if you guys can make so whenever you find a gun, there is a chance that the gun has a full mag, half full mag, or empty.

Ok, so basically I think that multiplayer gunplay needs some big improvements. Yesterday I was playing on a server and me and one other guy were in our base doing some farming and construction when all of a sudden the door into our base opens (also barricading on player-made doors doesn't seem to work) and a few random guys walk in with guns. Me and my team member both ran indoors and went upstairs to grab our guns, I went out onto the second floor walkway that we'd built and couldn't see the guys but I could hear the gunshots, and saw my teammate get gunned down, I went down and watched the door, waiting for them to walk in, eventually they did (2 guys, one was dead) and it turned into a clickfest. CLICKCLICKCLICKCLICKCLICK dead, and so was one of theirs. Basically I didn't like how this played out, I hate the auto-aim within a 90 degree radius and I hate the ability to fire at an infinitely high rate of fire using a pistol without any loss of accuracy or anything. Sure the gunfight was tense but it wasn't really a gunfight, you weren't aiming and taking cover or anything you were just seeing who could click faster than the other. In my opinion if gunfights in multiplayer are to be fun, the aiming and shooting needs an overhaul at some point. I have another topic I made a while back which goes into detail about the changes I think should be made: http://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php/topic/5589-the-aiming-overhaul/ Also something I didn't mention in there is the fire rate of pistols, I think there needs to be a delay after each shot so that you can't just click like a maniac to win fights. Other than that (and the barricade problem and the lack of threat that zombies pose in MP), loving the Multiplayer, although in my 4 hour or so playthough yesterday I saw about 10 zombies total.. -GodWaffle

Disclaimer: I've only played a couple hours since 2012 so I'm not entirely sure if some of the mechanics and additions I describe would fit in with the game, or be possible in the engine, but here goes. Suppressors I think firearm suppressors would be a great addition to the game because right now, firearms are very rarely a viable option, and can turn an emergency situation into an even worse one by attracting more zombies. Crafting: This would necessitate the existence of a mechanics/physics skill, or maybe a firearms knowledge skill? Anyway, the player would need several materials, tools and the correct level of said skill/knowledge. This would make it difficult to acquire quickly. There could be several levels of crafted suppressors, each being more effective than the last, but likewise requiring more materials, time and knowledge. Looting: Pre-apocalypse manufactured suppressors would be extremely rare (There'd be a good chance of none spawning) but to make up for this they would be more effective than a DIY one. However, they would only work for a certain class of firearm and no others, whereas crafted ones can be made for any firearm. Gameplay: When attached to a firearm, a suppressor would nullify the report. However, the volume of the shot in the direction of fire would remain similar to that of an unsuppressed gunshot. This means that if there are zombies between you and your target, they will also hear the shot, however the radius the noise travels from the shooter would be reduced. At longer distances though, it would be practically silent. Ammunition crafting: Now this one is a bit complicated and probably won't be added, but with advanced firearms knowledge the player would basically be able to craft different loads, IE high-velocity, or sub-sonic ammuntion. Sub-sonic ammunition would reduce the volume in the direction of fire at a cost of decreased penetration and damage, and would be practically useless without a suppressor. High-velocity ammunition would be the opposite, it would make the firearm have a louder report in exchange for increased damage and penetration. It would also degrade the firearm and the suppressor faster than regular or subsonic ammunition. The player could also manufacture hollowpoint rounds which have increased damage against a single target but virtually no penetration. This doesn't yet seem necessary since zombies will die to one shot anyway, but if there are any changes to that it would be a welcome addition. Weapon Modification: With advanced knowledge in firearms, survivors would be able to make minor modifications to their weapons provided they have the materials. These would include magazine size (In the two higher reloading difficulties, these modifications would be made to the magazines themselves where applicable), stability/accuracy (Stocks and grips [Though they seem 100% accurate at the moment]) and view distance (Improvised/looted optics). With a scope attached, when in aiming mode your field of view would be very narrow, but very long and increase the distance you can scroll off-screen. If you've played Jagged Alliance 2, you have some idea of how I imagine it in my head. Firemodes would also be another possible modification, in other words making a semi-auto weapon full-auto. The rate of fire of shotguns could also be increased by converting it from pump-action to semi auto (I'm not sure how possible this would be IRL but I'm sure it would be, given enough patience and knoweldge) The main suggestion here is suppressors. The other two are ballpark, but I included them anyway.

So I was thinking for some time how the weapons could be made slightly more effective with more of a downside. Such as a few more weapons to the game, or allowing certain levels of accuracy to change the effect on zombies. Such as crit. hits on the head, making zombies going into crawlers, that sort of stuff. So what I would out up for discussion would be slight more additions to the firearms. Only a few, and nothing overpowered. I'd suggest the addition of an Sub-machine gun (Semi-automatic only) It'd be an improvement over the pistol in most ways, and use the exact same 9mm ammo. For instance, range could be increased, the magazine could be increased to 30 although the accuracy would be exactly the same. However, there would be a few downsides to this. It would be louder than the pistol, causing more zombies to hear it. Level 2/3 accuracy (Or reload) would be needed. I assume a sub-machine gun would be harder to aim than a pistol and so without the correct accuracy/reload level then the player would just not be able to use it 'stating something along the lines of I don't trust myself with this' or something. Also, it could not be equipped with a silencer. Which brings me to my next point. Silencers. Silencers could be extremely rare, accuracy level one and to of read a book on equipping silencers. This would mean that people who use handguns (As it'd be for handguns only) could use it to be more silent. It'd be as loud as a melee weapon then, or a little louder. The downside could be that accuracy is reduced, and the handgun's 'life' is reduced from 1/60 to 1/20 or 1/15. Lastly, what about skill books for guns, only causing a slight xp boost. Sorry about the rant about guns, I really enjoy using the guns in PZ, and I find having the sandbox settings of Zombies - Insane, high health and extremely strong with loot abundant to be quite fun!

Hello Everyone. Let me start off by saying I'm really bad at understanding any programming language, but I'm pretty good at piecing together/slightly modding other people's work to get what I need done. That being said, I have a question and some ramblings. TL;DR Is there a way to make custom weapons require reloading using the game's reloading Lua?

Hey, As you can notice when playing Project Zomboid right now, guns are super-easy to use, kills pretty much every single time due to auto-aim. I was thinking that this would become an annoyance in Multiplayer (and with NPCs) if it's a matter of whoever shoots first wins instead of having to actually aim. Taking cover First and foremost we'd need a way to get low down so we can hide behind objects (I'm thinking cars when they're added), this would give another way of taking cover in a gunfight. I'm thinking a way this could be achieved is standing next to an object like a car, and holding CTRL will make the player crouch down behind it, while the mouse is facing away from the object the player will stay crouched, if you point the mouse 'over the top of the object' then the player stand up and aim over it, but crouch down again if the cursor is moved back. Better aiming I'm thinking that when you aim with a weapon, rather than aiming in the general direction of the target and just shooting and hitting using auto-aim, you would need to aim with your mouse. When a gun is equipped and the CTRL or RMB is pressed, the mouse cursor would become a crosshair (or a transparent line would emit from the player in the direction of the shot, the higher the player's aiming skill is, the longer the line is, 3D engine will allow this I'm assuming) and you'd aim for the target. When you shoot, depending on your shooting skills the bullet will have a 'radius' of where it will hit from where your mouse cursor was, this radius will get smaller as the player's skill increases. I feel that the transparent line would be better for this as it would feel more like you're aiming from the player's arms than pointing a mouse cursor onto a target. Getting shot When you get hit by a bullet, the game would calculate where you get hit, fatal shots are possible if you get hit in the heart or head, and other vital areas would cause a quick death (you'd bleed out fast), if you get hit in the arm, you will be injured and bleed, but you can bandage your wound and take medication to avoid infection (maybe have a 'remove bullet' tooltip on a set of pliers or something) This would avoid it being a one-hit kill on characters which would be frustrating as hell, and would give you a chance to escape. Anyway, just my thoughts, let me know what you think. -GodWaffle