I would like to think I have the constitution to with stand it! I have walked some dark paths, Excel.Interop, and lived to tell the tale! Thanks for the info RoboMat this is exactly what I was looking for, I was thinking the Modal was some sort of global objext I had to call from a function, I was half way right! I have been following your modding tutorial and hope to be able to get something, anything workign some time soon, Just can't seem to get the mods working, But that is probably a question for another thread