Feranoks

Have to agree with Rath, having done Atemi Jitsu for quite some time. If you want to use any kind of martial arts against a zombie I think something like Kick Boxing or Krav Maga (still uses lots of grapples) might be the most usefull since they keep you at a distance. However most do indeed focus on either getting up close and grabbing or getting your opponent on the ground or at a disadvantage. Getting up close usually benefits allot from the element of suprise wich is useless agianst a Zombie. Grabbing is pretty much putting you in more danger then anything else and breaking limbs is not as easy as it sounds definitley not without hurting yourself in the process.

I certainly didn't feel attacked or anything. And if you felt this way because of my response, it definitley wasn't meant that way. I care about the game because I love playing it, even in this early stage so I trust you guys know what your doing. My reply was simply a response to your "fact of the matter" statements wich I feel aren't neccesairly true. So I responded with what knoweldge I knew and could find. Something I immediatly think of when put in a hypotatical survival situation is getting shelter, fire, and clean water. Is this mostly based on things I saw on TV? Yes. And I know those shows are just made for sensation and the situations that happen are influencend in such a way they produce the most exciting television. But I don't think the information and tips they give are neccesairly wrong. And I definitley didn't mean they would not drink water in the past, if it came over like that then that is my fault and I apoligise. What I meant is that they would primarly drink beer or wine because they could not rely on the safety of the water. I don't know we might be seeing things from way diffrent angles but I still feel there are people who might also like this suggestion and that is what I thought this forum is about. People comming up with suggestions and seeing if the community thinks it should be in the game or not. That way the Devs can decide if it's something they want in their game. Right now I feel like this is being shut down by one person who feels very differently then I do on this subject, but happens to have a more deciding role. I still think it's something worth considering and talking about because it's a real issue in the world even right now.

I see what you mean but there are some flaws in your theory. - People definitley did not drink plain uncleaned water ever in recorded history. They would drink beer or wine. - You are drinking any water you find daily. That is allot even 1% change of getting you sick for something this commonly consumed is allot. Minor things like diarea could have a severe impact on your survival - Rain water is definatly not as clean as you would think ( http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/drinking/private/rainwater-collection.html , http://chemistry.about.com/od/waterchemistry/fl/Can-You-Drink-Rain-Water.htm, for some examples ) - Since the rain water in Project Zomboid is mostly stored in barrels I think you definitly would create a problem after a while since they are not the most "clean" envoirement (think of mold or others) even covering it in a garbage bag for example would only solve that problem temporarly. You are keeping your water in a stagnant container outside for weeks on end possibly without any use. - River can not be trusted if you want to keep you health there are so many unknowns ( http://healthvermont.gov/enviro/water/lake_river.aspx ) - People get sick form or in the worst case die because of dirty water even today think of third world countries. Wich is what our world would turn into. - I think most importantly is the fact that we are talking about the world with an extremely dangerous infection, admittedly you could say that the virus or parisite or wathever makes you turn into a zombie would not survive in water. Still you are living in a world with walking corpses and dead bodies everywere, Something that is rotting in a river miles away could pollute it in extreme ways. - Adding bleach to water is something that indeed would help (altough knowing the specific proportions or even the fact that it would work is not something I would consider common knoweldge, but this might be something you could find in-game trough finding and reading an encyclopedia for example). http://www.csgnetwork.com/h2oemergencypurifycalc.html - Using a towel to purify would not work a coffee filter maybe but even then? Most of my suggestion is based on what I've seen in survival shows or for a more specific example "The Colony" on Discovery Channel, wich was a show that follows a group of people who had to survive in a simulated post-apocalyptic environment. Of course it's ultimatly not my deccision but since PZ goes for a realistic survival feel, I think this is definitley something you can't ingore and in the end when implemented correctly would not be more tedious to do then waiting while fishing or cooking.

Don't you most of this would be implemented when they add different stories into the game? Wich is something they are planning to do by the way. Keeping in mind that the game is pretty early in development making core mechanics of how to survive more important right now in my opinion.

I agree with Invader Jim I think it's also important to think about wether or not animals get infected with the zombie virus in this world. Cause if so, a dog attacking a zombie would be pretty bad since the only way I know a dog would do damage is by biting wich would mean getting infected. Maybe the abilty to train him to attack hostile npc's but not zombies or at least not bitting zombies and only pushing them over in severe cases? The abiltiy to smell and hear zombies to warn you. Maybe the abitly to make him carry a little backpack on his bag (severly adjusted by crafting or something) but this would already be quite a stretch. In general if they would implement dogs in any way I would think of it like in the movie "I am Legend".

Maybe even the possiblity to get in certain trees when surrounded where you can sleep till the Zeds have passed.

Yeah, I get what you mean with it becoming tedious wich is why it would have to be well balanced and maybe even an option that could be turned on/off in sandbox. Adding things to make this easier and such. You can leave a big pot of water on a fire unsuprivised without any risk since it can't burn like food would. It would certainly be something to be added later in development like you said, for sure. And I certainly didn't mean that you would have to boil everything you would come accros. Rain water and streaming water in general is safe to drink so their change of getting disseases should be very low. But drinking water that has been standing still in pipes or rain barrels and just in general still water would become very dangerous to drink after say a couple of months. Also I think that since it's a Zombie Apocalypse with lots of death and lack of hygiene in general (no working toilets ) clean water in streams would become harder. Making lakes and streams become more and more infected as time in game progresses. The main reason I would add this is so that the late game becomes more interesting and more in line of the "to be" implemented systems of hunting and fishing (wish would also involve more cooking) and making it harder to go on scavaging runs with one bottle of water and filling it up wherever you go. Adding more meaning to your safe house and the equipment and stored water you have there. Even mitagating some of the downtime you have when it rains for example. Instead of skipping the day by just waiting indoors you could start to filter and purify the water you have. PS: Totally forgot those tablets existed could be a nice lootable item in conjunction with my suggestion

Something I noticed and was bothering me a bit. With the abilty to catch water in barrels and the added bodies of water. Getting water is made a bit more realistic, wich is very much a good thing. But right know you just seem to scoop up what you need in your water bottle and drink as much as you want. Something that is just not wise to do if you do not want to die of infections in real life. I do not know if this is something that will be put in evantually but my suggestion is that water should be boiled before drinking it, esspecially water from pools and such. Things that would tie in to this abilty would be: -Somekind of way to track dirtiness of water, similarly to food rotting -The increased risk of illness when drinking dirty water (because you're not able to boil it right away) -Maybe a craftable way to purify water with simple things like a barrel + sand + charcoal( both found in bags and collected from campfires) + sheet - A distinction between boiled water and purified water ( boiled water may still be dirty but decreases change of illnes significantly) -Water collected from when water supplies are still working would be clean but maybe after the water supplies have been cut, the water still remaining in the pipes would start to get dirty after a while -...