dannyisdude Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Change the name of the small rain collector barrel to, "Rain Collector Box", because it's a box that collects rain. Not a barrel. Magic Mark, Geras and JonJon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonJon Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 54 minutes ago, dannyisdude said: Change the name of the small rain collector barrel to, "Rain Collector Box", because it's a box that collects rain. Not a barrel. Also helps differentiating when building them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyisdude Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 Just now, JonJon said: Also helps differentiating when building them Yeah. That's my main reason for wanting it, forgot to mention it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTJ Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 It may be nice to have diffent names for the reason stated by prior posters, although while hovering over the rain collector you can see wich is which. On a similar topic, anybody else think it's funny that the small collector has a capacity of 160 water units while the large one has a capacity of 400 water units? I mean, they are both made of the same amount of materials... so they should have about the same volume. Granted, there could be some small loss of space in the bottom part due to using bags to hold the water (something around half the difference of a sphere compared to a cube would seem realistic enough). Considered in another way : Assuming that both fill up a tile and that those tiles are roughly 3 feet wide; Assuming that the square one is roughly cubic (3x3x3); Assuming a loss of space due to bag lining of 5%; There would be roughly 6,24 water unit per cubic feet of usable space for the small collector. Then : Starting with the resulting value (6,24/cf); Using the capacity (400) we need 64,125 usable cubic feet; Factoring the same loss of space (5%), we get 67,5 cubic feet; Knowing the cylinder's base area based on 3 feet diameter (assuming it's a perfect cylinder to avoid another space factor) = 9,42 square feet; The resulting barrel would be 7,16 feet tall! You would need a ladder, a chair or other mean to actualy get the water from the barrel. Although I'm ready to live with that (it's a game, balance choices...)... maybe we should change the name of the large collector to Tall Collector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geras Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Or just let us use metal barrels which are quite common in the game world already and put some bags in them... No need to build anything. Keshash and CaptKaspar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scyoni Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 If the water's going to be contaminated anyway, you shouldn't need to put the bags in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaGrey Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 40 minutes ago, Scyoni said: If the water's going to be contaminated anyway, you shouldn't need to put the bags in. Bags prevent it from leaking, as coopers don't really exist anymore. You'll have to take the contamination part up with the CDC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scyoni Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 That's fair, never really thought about that. A lot of my family have rain barrels but they're all plastic and leakproof. EnigmaGrey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonic_Kat Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) On 7/19/2016 at 1:46 PM, MyTJ said: It may be nice to have diffent names for the reason stated by prior posters, although while hovering over the rain collector you can see wich is which. On a similar topic, anybody else think it's funny that the small collector has a capacity of 160 water units while the large one has a capacity of 400 water units? I mean, they are both made of the same amount of materials... so they should have about the same volume. Granted, there could be some small loss of space in the bottom part due to using bags to hold the water (something around half the difference of a sphere compared to a cube would seem realistic enough). Considered in another way : Assuming that both fill up a tile and that those tiles are roughly 3 feet wide; Assuming that the square one is roughly cubic (3x3x3); Assuming a loss of space due to bag lining of 5%; There would be roughly 6,24 water unit per cubic feet of usable space for the small collector. Then : Starting with the resulting value (6,24/cf); Using the capacity (400) we need 64,125 usable cubic feet; Factoring the same loss of space (5%), we get 67,5 cubic feet; Knowing the cylinder's base area based on 3 feet diameter (assuming it's a perfect cylinder to avoid another space factor) = 9,42 square feet; The resulting barrel would be 7,16 feet tall! You would need a ladder, a chair or other mean to actualy get the water from the barrel. Although I'm ready to live with that (it's a game, balance choices...)... maybe we should change the name of the large collector to Tall Collector. To solve this, they could just make the large rain collector barrels two tiles. Perhaps more of a trough than a barrel... Plastic sheets could be added to the game to make it more realistic, difficult, and desirable to build. Edit: come to think of it, perhaps a tarp would work with a reduced complicity vs a large plastic sheet... Edited July 24, 2016 by Demonic_Kat EnigmaGrey, MyTJ and Geras 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyTJ Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) 14 hours ago, Demonic_Kat said: To solve this, they could just make the large rain collector barrels two tiles. Perhaps more of a trough than a barrel... Plastic sheets could be added to the game to make it more realistic, difficult, and desirable to build. Edit: come to think of it, perhaps a tarp would work with a reduced complicity vs a large plastic sheet... I was not suggesting any actual change, merely pointing out some maths that feeled strange. But as I've said, I"m ready to dismiss this on the count of gameplay and fun. That being said, it would indeed be a possible fix. So following your idea, there should be at least 3 rain collector : The small colletor in a box like fashion with about the same capacity of 160 water unit (volume of water = 27 cf - [1/2 * [4*pi*1,5*1,5*1,5]/3] = 19,93 cf or about 8 wu/cf) The rain barrel that would have around 250 water unit capacity and be a 3 foot diameter barrel of roughly 4 foot in height (do the math) A large multi tile (minimum 2) collector that could be built with tarp AND plastic bags/garbage bags for joints. It would be 3x6x4 minimum, with possible additions to it. A single tile capacity (minimum 2) would be roughly 275 water unit (or 550 for a single 2 tile collector). It could take advantage of the upcoming building mechanic where you can upgrade structures. Maybe it could even need some duct tape Edit : Those maths are based on the actual capacity and figured volume of collectors. Overall it seems that collector have a much lower capacity then their figured volume would warrant. For example, a simple bottle hold 40 10 water units. Assuming it's 500 ml, it's 0,1766 cf or about 226,5 1026 wu/cf! Now we can assume that a collector has lost spaces and framing... but nothing that would justify this variation. That or my assumption that the cases are about 3'x3' is wildely inacurate. Edited July 24, 2016 by MyTJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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