Marinus Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Hello Y'all, I'm trying to fix my 12 FPS PZ problem by downloading a new computer from the interwebz. After some research, my eye fell om this computer. It's not top notch, but then again, I'm not a hardcore gamer, I just want something that can handle the more casual gaming I do. Alas, I'm only half-digiliterate, So I would like some input from you guys to see if it's any good. I know this computer has a potato where it's graphical card should be, but it can be relatively easy and cheaply be replaced by a Nvidea GT 750. Should give no problems with 300Watt Power Supply if I'm not mistaken. The following is in Dutch, but as far as i can tell the relevant info concerning the specs should be understandable for everyone. (A Ghz by any other tongue, and all that.) I thank you all. Inspiron Desktop 3847 basissysteem, Windows 10 Home 64bit Engels, Nederlands, Frans, Duits, Italiaans € 575.30 1 € 575.30 Sku Omschrijving 338-BGUZ 4e generatie Intel® Core™ i7-4790 processor (8 MB cache, tot 4,00 GHz) 619-AIBS Windows 10 Home 64bit Engels, Nederlands, Frans, Duits, Italiaans 817-BBBC Niet inbegrepen 370-ABEM 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM-geheugen (1.600 MHz) 400-AACV 2 TB 7200 RPM SATA-harde schijf 6.0 Gb/s 490-BCMS NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 705 2 GB DDR3 754-76771 Basisgarantie - 1 jaar Collect and Return - minimale garantie 755-10605 Geen Accidental Damage-bescherming 630-ABBT Microsoft® Office 30 dagen op proef - exclusief Office-licentie 525-10350658-BCCO817-BBCI McAfee Live Safe Consumer abonnement van 12 maanden 580-AAHS Dell KB 113 Entry USB-toetsenbord - VS/EUR (QWERTY) 570-AAAJ Zwarte optische (niet draadloze) Dell USB-muis met schuifwiel (drie knoppen, schuifwiel) 555-BBOU Dell Wireless-N 1705 met Bluetooth 4.0 429-AAKY Lade voor dvd-station (lezen en schrijven van dvd/cd) 210-ABNB Inspiron Desktop 3847 basissysteem 658-BBVN Dell SRV-software 1705 321-BBFE Chassis met zwarte bezel 470-AADX EURO stroomkabel (250 V) 328-BBJK Verpakkingsmaterialen 340-AHIX Engelse, Franse, Duitse, Italiaanse, Nederlandse verzenddocumenten 780-BBDF Informatiemod voor Geen RAID 430-XYIX Cyberlink Media Suite Essentials zonder media 340-AQXV658-BCUI Extra software 620-12469 Media voor herstel van besturingssysteem Windows® niet inbegrepen 998-BNBN GENMT1603_223/GB/FR/DE/WER/PL/ROC/ME/TR/ZA/ROA/BTO 817-BBBC Niet inbegrepen 203-86517 CD84757 799-AAMQ Bestelling Dell Inspiron 800-13353 CFI niet inbegrepen 817-BBBC Niet inbegrepen 817-BBBC Geen garantiesupportdocumentatie geselecteerd 340-ARIX Onderlegger Win10 (Engels, Frans, Nederlands, Duits, Italiaans) 340-AJFC Kickstart 817-BBBC Alleen voor interne doelen bij Dell Dell 23 monitor | S2316H - 58 cm (23 inch), zwart € 209.00 1 € 209.00 Sku Omschrijving 210-AFYX Dell 23 monitor | S2316H - 23 inch (58 cm), zwart EUR 680-29048709-13374 3 jaar basisgarantie met Advanced Exchange Service - minimale garantie 710-10844 3 jaar basisgarantie met Advanced Exchange Service - Geen upgrade geselecteerd 800-10243 SnP bestelling - EMEA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesorbe0 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Marinus said: Hello Y'all, I'm trying to fix my 12 FPS PZ problem by downloading a new computer from the interwebz. After some research, my eye fell om this computer. It's not top notch, but then again, I'm not a hardcore gamer, I just want something that can handle the more casual gaming I do. Alas, I'm only half-digiliterate, So I would like some input from you guys to see if it's any good. I know this computer has a potato where it's graphical card should be, but it can be relatively easy and cheaply be replaced by a Nvidea GT 750. Should give no problems with 300Watt Power Supply if I'm not mistaken. The following is in Dutch, but as far as i can tell the relevant info concerning the specs should be understandable for everyone. (A Ghz by any other tongue, and all that.) I thank you all. Inspiron Desktop 3847 basissysteem, Windows 10 Home 64bit Engels, Nederlands, Frans, Duits, Italiaans € 575.30 1 € 575.30 Sku Omschrijving 338-BGUZ 4e generatie Intel® Core™ i7-4790 processor (8 MB cache, tot 4,00 GHz) 619-AIBS Windows 10 Home 64bit Engels, Nederlands, Frans, Duits, Italiaans 817-BBBC Niet inbegrepen 370-ABEM 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM-geheugen (1.600 MHz) 400-AACV 2 TB 7200 RPM SATA-harde schijf 6.0 Gb/s 490-BCMS NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 705 2 GB DDR3 754-76771 Basisgarantie - 1 jaar Collect and Return - minimale garantie 755-10605 Geen Accidental Damage-bescherming 630-ABBT Microsoft® Office 30 dagen op proef - exclusief Office-licentie 525-10350658-BCCO817-BBCI McAfee Live Safe Consumer abonnement van 12 maanden 580-AAHS Dell KB 113 Entry USB-toetsenbord - VS/EUR (QWERTY) 570-AAAJ Zwarte optische (niet draadloze) Dell USB-muis met schuifwiel (drie knoppen, schuifwiel) 555-BBOU Dell Wireless-N 1705 met Bluetooth 4.0 429-AAKY Lade voor dvd-station (lezen en schrijven van dvd/cd) 210-ABNB Inspiron Desktop 3847 basissysteem 658-BBVN Dell SRV-software 1705 321-BBFE Chassis met zwarte bezel 470-AADX EURO stroomkabel (250 V) 328-BBJK Verpakkingsmaterialen 340-AHIX Engelse, Franse, Duitse, Italiaanse, Nederlandse verzenddocumenten 780-BBDF Informatiemod voor Geen RAID 430-XYIX Cyberlink Media Suite Essentials zonder media 340-AQXV658-BCUI Extra software 620-12469 Media voor herstel van besturingssysteem Windows® niet inbegrepen 998-BNBN GENMT1603_223/GB/FR/DE/WER/PL/ROC/ME/TR/ZA/ROA/BTO 817-BBBC Niet inbegrepen 203-86517 CD84757 799-AAMQ Bestelling Dell Inspiron 800-13353 CFI niet inbegrepen 817-BBBC Niet inbegrepen 817-BBBC Geen garantiesupportdocumentatie geselecteerd 340-ARIX Onderlegger Win10 (Engels, Frans, Nederlands, Duits, Italiaans) 340-AJFC Kickstart 817-BBBC Alleen voor interne doelen bij Dell Dell 23 monitor | S2316H - 58 cm (23 inch), zwart € 209.00 1 € 209.00 Sku Omschrijving 210-AFYX Dell 23 monitor | S2316H - 23 inch (58 cm), zwart EUR 680-29048709-13374 3 jaar basisgarantie met Advanced Exchange Service - minimale garantie 710-10844 3 jaar basisgarantie met Advanced Exchange Service - Geen upgrade geselecteerd 800-10243 SnP bestelling - EMEA Better to build your own pc less money but more performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaGrey Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 After having to RMA a bunch of parts for my last build, I'm taking a new tact: Pay the 20% if you don't want to not have something working for upwards of two months. If you have something useful in the meantime, build, I guess. Only thing I'd recommend is a SSD (I have the 4790k and a 980ti. It does marvelously). No actual idea on the Nvidia 705, but I'd assume a 750 is what you should aim for. http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-750-vs-GeForce-GT-705 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 4 hours ago, jamesorbe0 said: Better to build your own pc less money but more performance Agreed, and even if you don't want to assemble it yourself there's plenty of custom PC shops that'll do it for you for about the same price. But apart from that, the 300W power supply is really small even for the base setup. You'll probably want something in the 5-600W range if you plan on replacing the video card. Edit: And it's worth noting that it's recommended to overdo it on the power supply. Without enough power or barely enough, things like case fans tend to stop working, causing very bad things to happen. (Wouldn't know that from experience... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrot Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Agreed on that power supply, 300W is extremly small for today standards. Also it's important to buy power supply from trusted good company or it will be garbage and could cause some serious problems in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deprav Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Yeah, as it's been said : better build your own, even if you get to pay someone 50$ for the assembly if you're not confident about doing it yourself, you will still get a way better deal out of it. Question, what's in your actual PC right now ? Maybe some things are salvageable. Also, consider searching around for 2nd hand parts rather than buying new ones. A few months ago I bought myself a new CPU + New GPU (both 2nd hand) for 50€ each, plus a 120go SSD for 60€. My 11 years old PC is having a second youth. About the config you posted : 16gb of RAM is pretty useless right now tbh, and i7 CPUs are freakin expensive and the rest of the parts will bottleneck its performances, not worth buying one for casual uses ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marinus Posted May 25, 2016 Author Share Posted May 25, 2016 Thanks for the quick replies and much of it is really helpful too. Building it myself is out of the question. I know just enough about hardware to know that would most probably end in disaster. But letting it be build by someone else might be an option, not in the last place since an hour with the Dell helpdesk sort of only convinced me to take my business elsewhere. And to buy Alienware. Or at least consider to buy Alienware. Or look into my options with Alienware. Or to hear about Alienware. Casual gamer is not the best way to describe me. I do take my gaming seriously, It's just that I don't spend tons of money on gaming etc. I tend to buy older games or example. And I tend to favor games that get away with lower specs, anyway. FYI I'm still resonably content with my current 8yo 2,40 GHz quadcore with 8 Mb RAM and a rather lousy Nvidea GT 440. But I'm (of course) running into its limitations more and more, and I rather invest a little more into something that will stay relevant a little longer. But I do have a budget to work with. So for now I'll take your pointers and try to come up with a plan B. Which I might bounce off of you all, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deprav Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 34 minutes ago, Marinus said: Casual gamer is not the best way to describe me. I do take my gaming seriously, It's just that I don't spend tons of money on gaming etc. I tend to buy older games or example. And I tend to favor games that get away with lower specs, anyway. FYI I'm still resonably content with my current 8yo 2,40 GHz quadcore with 8 Mb RAM and a rather lousy Nvidea GT 440. But I'm (of course) running into its limitations more and more, and I rather invest a little more into something that will stay relevant a little longer. But I do have a budget to work with. So for now I'll take your pointers and try to come up with a plan B. Which I might bounce off of you all, btw. Yeah I hear ya, I've the same gaming philosophy, I'm not really interested in new gen AAA titles so I don't really need a top notch beast to satisfy my gaming needs. Could you download a little software called Speccy ? It will give you informations about your rig, models and references of the parts, performances, temperatures etc... so you could tell us what you actually have, like if we know what motherboard you have, we could determine its socket to know what CPU are compatible and if it's worth keeping and save some money. In any case, take a few days to compare and look for 2nd hand prices, check CPU and GPU benchmarks n stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdr.Keen Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Spare money with the monitor - you don't need to spend 210€ for a Dell. Check out AOC: AOC E2460SH 60,96 cm (24 Zoll) Monitor (VGA, DVI, HDMI, 1920 x 1080, 60 Hz, 1ms Reaktionszeit) schwarz --> https://www.amazon.de/dp/B00J4LIF4Y/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_vWErxb4C33ZA1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marinus Posted May 25, 2016 Author Share Posted May 25, 2016 Fun little Program, but anyways this is the summary. It couldn't possibly be upgraded to anywhere near what I want, (I already checked for example, that AFAIK this is the best processor the MB can handle: http://ark.intel.com/products/35428 to add insult to injury, it's truly awfully priced both new and second hand as far as I can see. But anyway, the thing always performed admirably, so we're keeping it around anyway, so it might not be such a bad idea to upgrade it a bit. Operating System Windows 7 Professional 64-bit SP1 CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz 49 °C Kentsfield 65nm Technology RAM 4,00GB Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 398MHz (6-6-6-18) Motherboard Dell Inc. 0TP406 (CPU) Graphics SyncMaster (1280x1024@60Hz) 1023MB NVIDIA GeForce GT 440 (ASUStek Computer Inc) 40 °C Storage 465GB Seagate ST500DM002-1BD142 (SATA) 35 °C Optical Drives Optiarc DVD RW AD-7280S Audio High Definition Audio-apparaat @Cdr.Keen Yes I already noticed that too. But I think Dell is of the table anyway, and the specs are more a pointer now. I think it would turn out to be rather expensive for other reasons to. A new GPU, probably a new PSU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marinus Posted May 25, 2016 Author Share Posted May 25, 2016 Oh, and likes for everyone, of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepbro Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Have you tried PC specialist? I brought my last rig from there back in 2012 and its still good - beginning to get a little rough round the edges but its lasted a long time. My advice is to really look into your rig components but let someone else put it together. By looking into components I mean check individual specs on each and every piece. Tom's Hardware is good for that I find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deprav Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Ok so your motherboard supports socket LGA775, it's old but if your budget is limited it's still exploitable (that's what I still have) and overclock it reasonnably. But if you're not really into hardware stuff it might be more of a pain in the ass than anything So yeah, it's probably better to buy a new motherboard with standard socket, 1150 or 1151. Socket 1150 is older and compatible with Intel CPU i3, i5 and i7 ; socket 1151 is newer and compatible with intel "Skylake" CPUs (i5k, i7k...). If you're going for second hand CPU you'd find more stuff with socket 1150, but it will be harder to upgrade in a few years. It still has some nice years to live though. Motherboards are in the same price range for both sockets. Is your PSU still functionnal ? And what's its wattage ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marinus Posted May 27, 2016 Author Share Posted May 27, 2016 Well, a 800 to 1000 Euro budget isn't THAT bad. It should be enough to buy a fairly decent new rig. I would personally like to spend a couple of hundreds more but I've to deal with that other person in that marriage thingy I'm involved in. So yeah, the whole thing is going to be a bit of a compromise, I'm afraid, but considering how that I negotiated upwards from an initial budget of 500 or so.... But as I said earlier, my needs aren't that great either. And if I approach it a bit more tactical, smaller upgrades later on would be less of a problem than one lump sum now, so I could buy with that in mind. I'd rather not buy seconds hand anymore though, been there, done that, and I've never been particularly lucky with it. It would by default start the whole enterprise with bad expectations, that alone would be reason enough to go for a new computer. Anyway, I did find out about a local computer geek whose hobby escalated into a second job of sorts and who more or less professionally builds computers on demand. I heard good stories about him, so I'll probably check him out. As for the PSU. It's unfortunately positioned in such a fashion I would have to remove it from the case to check it's number. I've also no clue as to what shape it is in, nor do I know how to find that out. But I'm going to assume it's at best a 9 yo 300 Watt Dell PSU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marinus Posted June 8, 2016 Author Share Posted June 8, 2016 The deed is done. I had a good long talk with that dude I talked earlier about. He does take his time to talk trough all the options, I think we sat down and talked for over an hour before I even indicated I liked to use his services, and then some more after that. Anyway, it all left me with a rather good feeling, and I think we came up with a build that I think is everything I need for now, and most of what I wanted. It also has room for expansion and stayed well within my budget. It's nothing really fancy, but then again as I said before, a state of the art gaming PC is probably wasted on me anyway I'm too lazy to manually type out all the specs, but I'll post them when the comp is here, and when I can run that program to do the "typing" for me. Thanks for the help, and as you'll see, I actually used some of your advise. So well, to be continued, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marinus Posted June 12, 2016 Author Share Posted June 12, 2016 The Reveal. As far as I can tell it's everything I need, but I'm still in the process of trying to break it. In time, I'll probably update the GPU, put in a bit more RAM and an SSD. Operating System Windows 10 Home 64-bit CPU Intel Core i5 6500 @ 3.20GHz 24 °C Skylake 14nm Technology RAM 8,00GB Single-Channel Unknown @ 1066MHz (15-15-15-35) Motherboard Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd. B150M-D3H-CF (U3E1) 28 °C Graphics S24D300 (1920x1080@60Hz) 2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti (MSI) 26 °C Storage 931GB Western Digital WDC WD10EZRZ-00HTKB0 (SATA) 30 °C Optical Drives HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH24NSD0 Audio Realtek High Definition Audio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teesee Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I built my own rig like 5 years ago... It was almost top-notch regarding gaming performances. It took 2,5 years before some games started to slow down at max settings (Hello there crysis 2) but they were really few. I had planned to upgrade it after 4 years (processor or graphics) but I haven't felt the urge so far. So luckily, and depending on your needs, you might not have to invest more money before a moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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